Jesse Murray (Photo Credit: Provided by family spokesperson Nia Walker)

Jesse Murray (Photo Credit: Provided by family spokesperson Nia Walker)

Clayton County, Georgia Judge Albert Collier has denied Jessie Murray the use of stand your ground as a defense in his murder trial. Shockingly, the judge stated that the reason Murray could not use the defense was because he said his gun fired by accident during the struggle with the victim and his three friends.

Murray wanted to defend his ex-wife and mother of his children from a group of drunken White men at a bar. Court documents described Murray as being assaulted by the Nathan Adams, a former police officer, and three of his friends. Despite this threat, the court seems to be saying that Murray should have allowed himself to be beaten first and then used his gun as a last resort. In the decision issued by Judge Albert R. Collier, Clayton County Superior Court, the judge felt that Murray was not in fear of his life when he was attacked by a group of four men. The judge stated that “nor does it appear to this court that the other men in the vicinity were acting in such a way that would cause the defendant to reasonably believe that deadly force was necessary to prevent death or great bodily injury to himself or a third party … The court cannot reconcile the defendants asking for immunity under a self-defense statute, by stating that the use of deadly force was justified, and then also stating that the use of deadly force was unintentional.”

Murray is being represented by the attorney Mawuli Mel Davis of the Davis-Bozemen Law Firm. Attorney Davis issued the following statement to rolling out:

“We respectfully disagree with all of the law cited and most of the facts stated in the Judge’s order.  If being physically assaulted by 3 men is not a grounds for a person to defend themselves by any means necessary, I am unclear what is.  It is our hope our Motion for Reconsideration will be heard.”

Murray is facing up to 15 years in prison for trying to defend his ex-wife.

Mo Barnes

"Mo Betta" Maurice "Mo" Barnes is a graduate of Morehouse College and Political Scientist based in Atlanta. Mo is also a Blues musician.

  • WordupMillenium

    Horrific Terrorism Perpetrated with the Judge accomplicing

    • Sol Rothstein

      Shoot to KILL and that will prove you stood your ground.

    • lena crosson

      Stand your ground requires you fear for your life, if your gun was not used to protect your life it would make one assume you didn’t fear for your life. I don’t think it is about race, it is about a shooting that occurred by accident and then trying to use stand your ground. It does not make sense. I don’t think this guy should be punished for trying to defend his family but stand your ground does not seem to be the case here.

      • Min David L Dillard

        It will never “seem to be the case” with privileged white folk who have never and will never be put in that position, so it’s quite understandable why this seems irrational to you. Because the gun was fired accidentally does not mean he was not trying to protect and defend himself and family. Why did he pull the gun out in the first place? Of course because he feared for his life and if necessary to defend; the fact that he shot accidentally does not eliminate the fact that his position was one of self defense. The law is always talking about the persons “state of mind” but I guess that does not apply here or for that matter in any case involving an African American or person of color.

        • Helene Crain-Maycock

          well said

        • michelle knight

          SO, INCREDIBLY TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Unknown

          Bottom line, without hesitation, he should’ve decisively shot dead all four assailants… but hesitation to do so makes it seem as if he paused and pondered there was another way to deter or stop from being assaulted. Stand your ground… assaulted, corralled by several assailants, no way out, FEAR for life. Shoot to kill is only deterrent for survival. Again, decisively shoot to kill!

          • Kenneth Roach

            Should of outright busted them in the ass with every bullet without hesitation. Maybe he could get off on a affluence defense or something made up for them…

          • http://koviko.net/ Koviko

            I wonder what would cause a black man to stop and think before murdering several white men. I guess we’ll never know.

          • Talena Lachelle Queen

            Facts.

          • Ralph Sassage Circelli

            Another racist comment……this is why there’s racism in America.

          • http://koviko.net/ Koviko

            Of course. THIS is why there’s racism in America.

          • Ken Mccain

            Exactly..kill them all

          • Timothy Thomas

            What you are not realizing is that as a Black Man he probably started thinking about how this would end up. One black man against 4 whites guys. Thus the hesitation. When your a person of color you have extra hoops in your thinking you have to go through when living in this country.

          • Tallulah Bankhead

            yes…but you know if my life was in danger my skin hue wouldn’t come into it…wouldn’t even be thinking about it…neither would the person i was trying to defend myself against….when put in that situation…you go into survival mode…i wouldn’t have hesitated…i would shoot to kill….if he had time to think about it…there was a hesitation….and therein lies the legal problem…

          • fifthdentist

            Um, you haven’t by any chance been black before you? Like in the South.
            I’m white, but in the small town where I was raised and from which I escaped a black life is hardly worth a tenth of a black one.

          • Jonathan Tolbert

            He is not you and you are not him. Killing somebody does not come as easily as it does to others. If he was not in fear he would not have pulled out the gun. Perhaps it was accident because he pulled the trigger before he got one of them in his sight because he was in fear.

          • AnotherDem

            That is such bullshit, mr bottomline.

          • Ronell Cleveland

            I think that his lawyer thought about self defense then changed it to stand your ground. The case went wrong when he said the gun went off accidentally. That’s why I chose not to carry a gun because the laws are written to protect the wealthy and in court, your intentions can get misconstrued.

          • Inspiridos

            It is not known whether he “hesitated” or not … what is stated is the weapon went off by accident (which is entirely possible) … and this does not necessarily abrogate his intent to use it to stand his ground when under attack.

            Fact not in dispute: he was being attacked by the the three men.
            Fact not in dispute: his wife and child was present.

            If he had not been under attack … he would not have resorted to pulling out his weapon (whether it was to warn, wound, or kill … is not relevent … it was a maneuver of self defense; he was attempting to stand his ground) … that is not really disputable.

            However, your point is well taken … don’t pull out a weapon and have an “accident” with it, ok no you don’t have a point.

        • Helena_Handbasket

          TRUTH!

        • lena crosson

          Well isn’t that so racist of you to assume because someone is white they have not been in this situation???????? Zimmerman was not white even though the media at first said he was that is a fact. Zimmerman had 2 witnesses that said he was beaten badly not assaulted, there is a difference when it comes to the law for stand your ground. While Zimmerman had no business following Trayvon in my opinion the witnesses said Trayvon starting beating on him. He did start the physical aggression not Zimmerman. You can’t beat someone because they are following you. This man in his own words said his gun went off on accident. That means according to the law he did not use his gun because he felt his life was in danger. I said I felt he should not be punished if he felt the need to protect his family. I simply said according to “stand your own” it is not the same. You need to check the law instead of just looking at this as a race issue. If more people judged each case by the facts instead of what they want to believe this country would not be such a mess. There is absolutely racism and it goes both ways. If you don’t want to be judged for the color of your skin than don’t judge me by mine! Hypocrite!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Kimm S.

            Zimmerman aggressively followed Trayvon Martin, provoked the situation and then killed him, period. And white America said it was justified!! No matter what the law says when it comes to a black man they will always find a way to twist it around!

          • lena crosson

            Sorry but your rendition is not supported by the facts. How do you aggressively follow someone? Following someone does not give them the right to beat you. This man probably had every right to fear for his life and stand your ground could have been used if not for him saying “his gun went off accidentally” that is the difference in the cases. Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the back, in my opinion that should have denied him the right to use the law but he said he feared for his life and shot to kill. I did not say I agreed with the Zimmerman ruling. But if your gun goes off accidently that means you didn’t shot to kill for fear of life. He should have said he shot to kill! That is what makes the cases different.

          • Eric Oliver

            Not intending to kill an attacker should never serve as proof that one didn’t fear for their life.

          • lena crosson

            I agree and the law should be changed!

          • Tim Harb

            Well without stand your ground you have to attempt to flee first. If you so not try then you can be convicted of murder. That was why stand your groind was created. Also juges make stupid decisions all the time and get over turned. He will just have to appeal.

          • fifthdentist

            Judges rarely make stupid decisions. That’s why their decisions are rarely overruled.
            Unfortunately, they have to at times apply stupid and unjust laws in cases where logic defies the established law.

          • Yukkie Aycock

            Amen!!

          • Kevin Carroll

            Zimmerman did not shoot Martin in the back that is 100% false. And stand your ground was never raised in the Martin case. You are incorrect on both points.

          • lena crosson

            Yiu are correct the bullet entered his side stand yiur ground was not uswd in the defence however the jury was instructed that they xould use thise standards when deliberating

          • Elliot

            Kevin you are absolutely 100 0/0 dead wrong . Zimmerman used the stand your ground statute . As far as the asshole who said Zimmerman was not the aggressor I ask how can you get an ass whipping inside a truck? You had to get out first , approach the person , confront that person then start taking a well deserved beating . Trayvons lawyer should have pointed out he had the right to stand HIS ground . If Zimmermann had never followed /exited his vehicle a young man would be alive today .

          • Tim Harb

            Same can be said in reverse. If martin did not start attacking him or slamming his head in concrete he probably be alive.

          • Cate

            Anyone with a child would tell their child, “If you ever find yourself in a situation where you are being followed by a stranger, do everything in your power to get away. And if that doesn’t work, you turn and fight for your life! Do everything possible to make it home to me.” That’s exactly what Trayvon did, and yet you think Zimmerman is the “victim” even though he was told NOT to follow Trayvon. A creepy a$$ man following my teenage son IS a threat. Now just because Trayvon was getting the best of him means nothing, other than GZ was a pu$$y. Let you and your entire family be stalked and followed home by a creepy a$$ man and then come back and tell me what you’d do to try to survive. Your implicit bias is so deep, you don’t even know it exists. Put yourself or better yet, your own child, in Trayvon’s position…oh you probably can’t because you probably don’t see Trayvon as a child. Well, he was someone’s child.

          • Millzy kakashi

            Umm for martin to attack he had to approach martin right?? Why did he get out the vehicle to detain him. he is not an ifficer so why even out urself in that situation

          • Kevin Carroll

            Zimmerman waived his right to a “stand your ground” hearing before trial, and did not cite it in his defense during the trial… http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/oct/30/senate-majority-pac/radio-ad-dem-pac-blames-trayvon-martin-death-flori/

          • Kevin Carroll

            Martin’s GF Rachel testified at trial that Martin had lost Zimmerman and she advised him to run home , instead he doubled back to confront Zimmerman , probably when he realized he was a little fat guy that he took overpower. Had he gone home like he was advised he’d be alive. Instead he jumped Zimmerman.

          • Shanta Kamath

            Elliot, just a minor point. Trayvon didn’t get a lawyer to argue anything for him. Trayvon was dead. The lawyer prosecuting Zimmerman was a District Attorney, not a civil lawyer or criminal defense attorney representing or defending Trayvon. Trayvon was a murder victim in the case, not a defendant. Murder victims don’t generally have to offer defense arguments.

          • Jonathan T. Green

            I recall that Zimmerman’s lawyers did not use the stand your ground defense. I suppose that his “white privileged” made it unnecessary
            .

          • Ron Pleasant

            Yep

          • Ralph Sassage Circelli

            Zimmerman is Hispanic…..how the hell do hispanics use white privilege?

          • Janessa Brown

            Some hispanics are white. In Latin countries one drop rule does not able. If you can pass for white or majority of your ancestry is white you can be white with having black and native ancestry.

          • Gregory Reynolds

            Who did Zimmerman identify himself as that night? Could he have been a serial killer? How about a child molester? How about a murderer? You see the narrative that was painted was to support Zimmerman’s actions for white people but it never took into account that this strange man chasing you could be the biggest threat to your life and that is why had he identified himself and stated his reasons for following and chasing Trayvon everything could have been avoided. And your rendition seems to be off because Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the stomach and there wasn’t a drop of blood on his clothing to support Trayvon being on top of him when the shot was fired and he only fired one shot not many showing that FEAR wasn’t his concern. I could believe that police officer who murdered Philando Castile being afraid because he fired 8 shots in panic. Zimmerman was supposedly being beaten to death and he only fired one shot. Think about that. Thats called calculated shooting. He even said his reason for only firing one shot was because he didn’t want his bullets to hit the homes and that should have been a sign that they were standing when he shot not laying down. Zimmerman got off because the Prosecutor did what Zimmerman’s father asked him to do and that was not convict his son.

          • Robert Clark

            Deuteronomy Chapter 28 is being fulfilled.

          • Peter Bruns

            Robert, what the heck does Deuteronomy have to do with this, at all ? Really ?????

          • winehacker

            Prowling?
            How come Martin couldn’t stand his ground if he felt threatened/cornered by this person chasing him?

          • Mary Kay Baker

            If someone follows someone else, that person has no reason to know that you don’t intend to hurt them. Following them is an aggressive act, they could be a serial killer, molester. What Zimmerman was doing was harassing this boy, and yes, if someone feels threatened I can see them attacking someone before that person can attack them.

          • lena crosson

            Mary what I said was what the law says I stated that my personal feelings or that Zimmerman should not have gotten away with it and I said that I feel this man should not be charged I only said that it makes it hard to use stand your ground but he is absolutely able to use self-defense even though I said my personal feelings in several post I still get attacked and called a racist people cannot claim to hate racism and practice it this thread is full of hatred bigoted racism and it’s not coming from white people

          • Alicia Johnson

            “How do you aggressively follow someone?” The same way you fear for your life when someone is running away from you, or reaching for a wallet, etc

          • Timothy Thomas

            But that makes no sense. If your gun is out against 4 people you are afraid, period. The fact it went off by accident does nothing to your state of mind. Maybe your hand was shaking. I guarantee if it had been 4 blacks and a white guy defending his family, the law would not matter.

          • Millzy kakashi

            How fo you aggressively follow someone? Have you ever been cat called? Im pretty sure theres plenty women that can testify to bein aggressively followed.. just like any male that has been aggressively followed by police officers or gang members they also can fear for their life

          • AJ Fraser

            Exactly

          • Kasey763

            I agree Kimm did you know he used to be on the neighborhood watch patrol and they expelled him because they felt he was too aggressive?? And these are white people that threw him out of the neighborhood watch, that in itself should be proof he was a loose cannon. The fact is I think black people are going to start killing all these people regardless of race, that are getting off due to these ‘juries’. My thing is if they hate blacks latinos and now even Asians are getting attacked, then by all means let them get their guns together and have at it. Call it a civil war or ethnic uprising or whatever. Because sooner or later that is going to happen.

          • Min David L Dillard

            You have no photo posted here yet I knew/know your race; how? simply by the defense you sincerely believe in your argument. Im not trying to be insulting or judgmental of you personally. A person born blind will never fully miss what he has never had; likewise many whites in America cannot see or understand the privilege they enjoy because they are born with it. I think you are one of the sincere in your argument and belief that parsing the law to explain your view; but it’s skewed by a privilege you are so use to that you can’t see the wrongness and racism that truly exist in this case.

          • lena crosson

            HaHa you assume I am privileged and White because I actually am looking at the law not color of skin. That was your first mistake! Sorry I just base my opinions on facts and laws. So very typical. If you don’t agree you are White or an Uncle Tom! People like you are why society is so messed up. If you focused on facts instead of race maybe more people would listen!

          • Min David L Dillard

            Ahhhh, now you letting your true color shine through. The truth always bring out that good old indignation. Keep at it, a few most post you’ll be letting me know what a n***r I am.

          • Min David L Dillard

            Tell me, who are “people like me?”

          • lena crosson

            Anyone of any race that makes assumptions of others based on opinions I know you would prefer to take it racially but unfortunately there are many like you in all races. I am part of the human race.

          • Theodore Ace Flettre

            Racists

          • Ray S

            YOU DON’T AGREE THAT THE FOUR ATTACKING HIM WAS WRONG AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED? AND GUN GOING OFF ACCIDENTALLY OR ON PURPOSE STOPPED THEM ISN’T THE RIGHT? PERSONALLY THE LAWS ARE TO BE INTERPRETED IN EACH SITUATION OR THERE USELESS

          • Gregory Reynolds

            Actually the assumption is correct. You are white and probably republican and a #45 supporter. And your responses come from a white perspective because what you haven’t tried or don’t seem to be able to do is see it from the black person’s perspective.

          • Theodore Ace Flettre

            Actually I think your are the one guilty of being blinded by race in this matter. You have been so filled with “Racism” and “White privilege” that it maters not to you what the law says –

          • Dale D.

            Zimmerman should have stayed his sorry ass in his vehicle like the dispatcher told him. You go after someone then scream stand your ground when you’re getting your ass kicked.

          • lena crosson

            Zimmerman is not white he is Hispanic. I did not say this guy did not have the right to stand his ground I am simply saying he said his gun went off accidentally.

          • Arenee

            Hun, I hate to be the bubble buster but Zimmerman is half white. His father was a congressman. Who paid to keep him out of a lot of trouble.

          • Kevin Carroll

            Amazing how people just make stuff up. Like you.

          • Gregory Reynolds

            Kevin his father did use his influence in that case. He’s a retired Magistrate Judge!!!

          • Kevin Carroll

            Nonsense Gregory, Zimmerman’s father retired in 2006, he was a magistrate in Va and had no influence on authorities in Fl, that’s just fiction that he intervened.

          • Gregory Reynolds

            A correction. His father is a magistrate judge who paid to keep him out of trouble, lol!!!

          • Tony Marcus

            Where did you get the idea that “Hispanic” and “white” are incompatible? Census takers use Hispanic as a subsection of Caucasian. Mind you, race is a total construct, which tends to be used by those oppressing others to justify said oppression.

          • Tyesha Brown

            Most cases that people follow people at night is to rob,kill,rape,or harm someone …so if someone followed me around at night I will see them automatically as a threat…and if I’m not super scared to run away then I’m beating that ass…

          • Theodore Ace Flettre

            SO youre just gonna beat someone up because they happen to be going the same direction as you on a sidewalk? weird .

          • Tyesha Brown

            There’s a difference between someone walking in your direction and someone following you…im a woman so a man following me late at night 10 time out of 10 is never for a good reason …so that’ll make me automatically in defense mode

          • Alicia Johnson

            Any time someone is behind me I am in defense mode; Yes, even in line at the grocery store!!!!

          • AndyCandy

            Lena, so if you aren’t white, what are you? I just read a lot of your insipid comments from past articles and I’ll be damned if you don’t sound like the absolute stereotype of a white suburban pro-life Republican “All Lives Matter/Blue Lives Matter More” woman who just has to tell all the minorities how they’re constantly wrong and not thinking about things right. If you aren’t white, you’ve got me fooled. (P.S. I’m white too, I can smell my own.)

          • lena crosson

            You sir are a ethnocentric bigot. I couldn’t possibly be black conservative pro life raised 4 kids on my own right? I could not care about all even a bigot racist like you right? I see only color of skin matters here . I guess using facts to form my opinions is a white thing right? You do us all a disservice seems you dont think black people think!

          • AndyCandy

            If it’s bigoted to assume that someone using the language of the white power structure to justify injustices perpetrated by the white power structure against minorities (including condescendingly trying to explain the finer points of the Stand Your Ground law, as if the law itself is anything other than a statist attempt to codify violence against minorities) is white, call me a bigot. Shout it from the rooftops: I’m a big-ass bigot.

            It’s funny that you use the victim card so well in defending your own thoughtless diatribes against people you continually call sheep, using literally the same statements and language as DAs, prosecutors, sheriffs, police chiefs, and Republican politicians across the land, claiming that you use “facts” and “think for yourself,” when the people you argue with are the ones who are thinking for themselves, who have seen the persistent negative effects of the same power structure you seem to be keen to defend at every turn (you even talk about how police are trained to “shoot to kill,” as if that’s something we should all just accept).

            But yes, please, keep playing the part of the poor persecuted independent thinker while you literally carry water for the same people who oppress us all. You’re a real winner.

          • lena crosson

            Okay so I am not a victim and never said I was. Sorry thay you think explaining the law as written is wrong. I dont have to justify myself. I love me 🙂

          • Norris O. Hite, Jr.

            Isn’t it possible that he was afraid but used the gun to warn his attackers because he didn’t want to kill anyone. Then as things progressed the gun accidentally discharged? Thus, he was “standing his ground.” In the case Travon Martin, Zimmerman took the gun and aggressively approached Martin, after being warned by law enforcement not to. Martin defended himself. He was not a mind reader. If Martin didn’t take the action he did, Zimmerman, who still had the gun, could have shot him at any time. So, why did Martin not have the right to use deadly force to defend himself, but the aggressor who started the conflict, with a deadly weapon, could?

          • lena crosson

            I agree with all you said. I think the law needs to be changed and hope if what we know so far in this case proves to be true this man does not do any time.

          • Kasey763

            The fact that the guy thought the need to pull out his firearm was proof enough that he felt that him and his family’s lives were in bodily harm. The gun went off by accident, however I can see that accidents aren’t taken into consideration especially since THEY were the ones who were the antagonist.

          • Kathy Morgan

            I am sorry…but your comments are wrong…there is audio on Zimmerman’s own phone of police telling him to STOP following Trayvon, then audio of Zimmerman talking to himself calling Trayvon a “thug” and then he cont. Yes, Trayvon would have been scared…would have felt threatened, and I don’t blame the kid for fighting some man following him in a car…pulling over and being threatening and accusatory…then Zimmerman found himself in a fight he was losing….That was not the kid’s fault…and this was not Zimmerman’s first infraction…he should have been in jail. I am not a fan of this law because it is way to vague.

          • David Mitchell

            Yes, Zimmerman is white. And he is the sole reason the confrontation with Martin happened. And no, there were no witnesses, and there was no evidence Martin started beating him up except his word against a dead child’s.

          • truth_hurts

            He wasnt black either. It seems its okay for whites and non whites to kill for sport and rather than out of fear.

          • Gregory Reynolds

            Actually it was Zimmerman’s very actions that led to his beating. In the dark he went to reach for something and if you think that Travyon was supposed to wait to see what that was you are gravely mistaken. And if you actually looked at his bruises if Trayvon was anyone else he would have used that Arizona Tea can upside his head and that lets you know he wasn’t looking for a fight!!!

          • Come on

            So when trevon started beating Zimmerman did he not have the right to stand he ground against someone who chased him down several times after trying to get away.

          • Yukkie Aycock

            Only white ppl.. would believe this bull you took time to write!! He was feared for his life when he pulled the dam gun out! Being a good man with a good heart made him think twice about pulling the trigger and thought ….if they seen the gun they would leave them alone, but not you hill billy rednecks, force this man yo protect his family!! There goes white privilege again! As for Zimmerman he could have alleviated the problem by retreat …following a young man yelling racial slurs will put almost any person in defense mode… when in reality we know for real Trayvon Martin thought that he was going to be attacked so he then protected himself! All the rest is just white privilege, bottom line!!

          • lena crosson

            You are racist Pig if you took the time to read what I wrote I said I didn’t think Zimmerman should have got away with it and I thought this guy should not be charged I simply stated the law and the judge’s reasoning I made it clear what my personal feelings were my personal feelings nor yours has anything to do with the law this man will be able to use self-defense and hopefully he will not be charged which is what I said so for all your b******* about white privilege and all your hate towards white people is your issue you cannot claim to hate what you are which is clearly a racist Pig you are no better than white racist and your hatred is sickening I hope you don’t have any children

          • Rob Pettigrew

            That’s a joke right? You can’t be serious.

          • http://www.revelationnow.net/ Michael Erevna

            Racism cannot go both ways. A ethnic group reacting to 400 years of racism does not make them racist. In order for Black people to be racist they would need a time machine. They would need to return to 1619 and enslave White people in the most horrific slavery known on the Earth. Then free them and give them no rights. Then continue to inflict horrors upon them up to 1965. Racism is when one ethnic group in power uses their collective power to oppress the minorities.

          • RickDrake

            We can only judge you by your ignorant post!

          • lena crosson

            Stop it you racist this article is ignorant since Zimmerman never even used stand your ground in the first place. You are just a racist and all of the negative comments on here have not been about ignorance it’s been about race you all have helped me prove a point and all your post will be used in an article to show just to show how racist black people are. So have a good day I have my information I no longer have time for you 🙂

          • RickDrake

            If I had the time, I’d count the times you’ve called everyone a racist on this board…you doth protest too much! Maybe you’re what you rail against?

          • lena crosson

            Which I certainly have called people on this board racist after their comments and assumptions labeling me based on my opinion even though from the start I said that this man should not do any time and based on what we know if true should be able to use self-defense I never labeled anyone because of the color of their skin as was done to me as I said before this will be used for an article that shows the double standards it seems to be perfectly fine to label people that you don’t know based on opinion if you are black but not if you are white all of my comments in the entirety and context will be posted as well I am about bringing people together of all Races things will not improve until we all stop labeling and work together it’s a scary world we live in right now and none of us can ask for respect and understanding unless we are willing to give it have a blessed day

          • RickDrake

            I agree…he should not do any time, at all.

          • fifthdentist

            Zimmerman was stalking the kid. I’d say at some point he was making a rational decision that it was him or his white* ammosexual stalker.

          • gerald dawkins

            In the Zimmerman case, he can’t beat a man in a car, Zimmerman got out the car and started the fight, was getting whipped and then killed trayvon. Trayvon didn’t stop a moving car, he was trying to get away from him. in this case the guy was defending himself against 4 men

          • jrleftfoot

            Pot. Kettle.

          • Jonathan Tolbert

            Umm somebody that is white, has never been black. That means you have not ever will experience life as a black person. Not racist, just facts.

          • lena crosson

            You are absolutely correct and I never said I know what it’s like to be black what I said is to assume somebody has not been in the same situation is wrong you will never know what it’s like to be a woman and you’ll never know what it’s like to be white when people are judged by the color of their skin weather white or black it’s racist when I look at situations I don’t look at race I look at people as people white people are on the defense right now because they feel attacked black people are on the defense because they feel attacked cops are on the defense because they feel attacked until we start looking at each individual situation and judging based on facts instead of race things will only get worse I worry for all of our kids black white it doesn’t matter to me

        • Willbajt

          Right? Because white folk are totally unable of empathy, and that’s 100% because of the color of their skin right? Couldn’t possibly be that you’re wrong, or the case is just slightly complex, it’s that white people cannot possibly see through the blinding mask of their privilege and empathize with a fellow human being. But if they were just black, right? If they were black with those extra shades of melanin they gain the magic mystical power of empathy and would definitely see things your way. Good to know.

          • Min David L Dillard

            Glad you learned something, though it’s obviously struck a nerve. “A hit dog will hollar.”

          • Theodore Ace Flettre

            is that why you are hollaring so much ?

          • Gregory Reynolds

            It does seem that some of you all can’t empathize with a situation involving a black and white person. You see the white person’s perspective as being the right one. But your quick to see why a white person would fight back or shoot and kill someone they feared if it was a black man following you and he didn’t give a reason why or who he was.

        • http://www.alexthomasactor.com/ Alexander

          Right on target.

        • Theodore Ace Flettre

          NO you’re wrong the FACT the gun was fired on accident CLEARLY PROVES he wasn’t protecting his family with the gun. If he had pulled the gun and fired it That would Prove that hes was. HE Had no Intention of using the Gun at All. But it accidentally went off and killed a man so he says “Yep thats what i was trying to do” Stand your ground defense please. White folk get put in this position all the time BTW you are just color blind to it – Have a good day !

          • Gregory Reynolds

            Pulling the gun shows that he was protecting his family. No-one pulls a gun without an intent to either deter a situation or protect themselves unless they are committing a crime. He had an intent to use but as a last resort if those threatening didn’t back down. The fact that the gun went off accidentally doesn’t take away his self-defense Stand Your Ground rights.

          • Rob Pettigrew

            Well that is insane. Shooting another human being isn’t easy nor is it suppose to be. Drawing a gun when threatened to scare an attacker away s hardly illogical. It just means he will shoot if he has to but doesn’t want to if it can be avoided

        • Bob Hemmings

          So right. I could not have made it any clearer

        • Ralph Sassage Circelli

          Min David, why does this have to be about race? You realize every single time people pull the race card it proves them to be racist? This man should be innocent no matter what color his skin is. Quit being a racist asshat.

        • James Sydnor

          You make an excellent point, I wanna take back what I posted after reading your comment. I was looking at it from a strictly legal perspective. Being, as the court stated, “reconciling accidentially with the elements of stand your ground.

      • Edward Ingram

        Shut up

        • lena crosson

          Wow such intellectual words.

      • Ronnie Howard

        Then based on your reasoning Police officers should not be allowed to use the phrase “I feared for my life” because of the training

        • Cliff Lewis

          Actually, yes, though not “never,” just “rarely.” If they were trained properly, they should know how to handle themselves. Cops should rarely fear for their lives based on their superior training and weaponry, and should also know how to avoid situations that could turn dangerous. Therefore, all these recent rulings that relied on the testimony of the cops that they did fear for their lives is bullshit imo.

        • lena crosson

          Police officers should have to prove their life or the life of others were at risk. I am saying each situation is different and if this man shot to kill he would have been able to use the law. Because he said his gun went off accidentally makes it hard to say he felt he needed to kill to protect himself. I did not say he did not feel that, I said what he himself said makes it hard. There is also the assault vs beating under the law. Any person regardless of color should be able to protect their life and the lives of their family! Part of police training is to shoot to kill. If a police officer uses his gun and there is no justification based on facts, he or she should be held accountable and in my opinion the punishment should be stiffer.

        • Theodore Ace Flettre

          not if he accidentally shot someone. What if the Cop accidentally shoots bystander can he still say he feared for his life?

          • Cate

            Dumb statement. This guy didn’t shoot a bystander. He shot his attacker.

      • Helene Crain-Maycock

        you a dumb a**…let 4 women jump on you…guess you’ll think it’s girlscouts training

        • Helena_Handbasket

          I wish I had more likes to give to you.

        • lena crosson

          Your intellect shines through. Do you know what I have been through? No you are just a racist. The facts of the case don’t say he was jumped by 4 men but in order to know that you would have to read the article and learn the facts instead of jumping to the race issue. You are funny, you don’t want to be judged by your skin color but you have no problem doing that to others.

        • Theodore Ace Flettre

          What if the guy accidentally shot a bystander when the gun unexpectedly went off? Do you think he could still say he was standing his ground when he killed a bystander ?

        • Theodore Ace Flettre

          Its actually quite concerning that the gun went off and he wasn’t intending it to more than anything .

      • Pebbles Hodge

        No…it is about race….The ratio of 3 to 1 says you will probably be killed or severely maned in the battle. You have no recourse but to threaten and shoot if you can not conquer your fear. He was fearful of his life…rightfully so. Secondly, when are we going to vote these relics off the bench. These are our tax dollars paying their salary to misinterpret the law to give the most harsh treatments to minorities.

        • lena crosson

          The laws have to be changed. Stand your ground would require he shot because he feared for his life. His own words is what makes it hard. You can’t blame the judge for going by the law as it is written. Remember he is the one that said his gun went off accidentally.

        • Theodore Ace Flettre

          The gun went off and he wasnt intending it to that is the most concerning part of the story. If an innocent bystander got killed do you think he could still claim stand your ground? I assume he has a permit to carry the gun, No way should it have accidentally gone off if he was properly trained to have the carry permit.

      • disqus_UyMUWABH0E

        It was for george zimmerman

        • Sylvia Torres

          My thoughts exactly!!!

        • lena crosson

          The difference is Zimmerman did not say his gun went off accidentally. He said he shot to kill for fear of his life after he was severely beaten which was backed up by witnesses. I was not there so I don’t know and neither does anyone else. The law treats assaults much differently than beatings. Zimmerman is a minority. I personally felt Zimmerman shooting in the back should have not allowed him to use stand your ground but again the witnesses were there not me.

      • ereleford

        Your post was stupid and insulting an you are full of…..

        • lena crosson

          Yes I am sure it was confusing to you, after all I am judging the facts of the cases not the color of ones skin 🙂

          • ereleford

            No, what’s confusing is your sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. But you are living proof that when you never experience racism you have no clue. Enjoy that light skin, fool.

          • Theodore Ace Flettre

            So she never experienced racism so it gives you a license to kill? that fn retarded –

          • ereleford

            Your comment was just…..stupid. Another fool.

        • Theodore Ace Flettre

          The gun went off and he wasnt intending it to that is the most concerning part of the story. If an innocent bystander got killed do you think he could still claim stand your ground? I assume he has a permit to carry the gun, No way should it have accidentally gone off if he was properly trained to have the carry permit

          • Carl

            If a gun accidentally goes off on someone who is helping 3 other guys bring harm to a man and his family, well who fault is that? The man who chose to do harm to others!

          • Trica Track

            What I find funny is no matter how the gun went off. Could not the whole situation. Been avoided if people knew they place. Are far as the people saying a innocent person could of got shot. Did you say that when the police raided the wrong house and shot a little kid. I think not.

        • Babs

          If you were in the shoes of Murray and you were being attacked by three drunk men what will you do to defend your self ? We also know the crime rate in this country. I think Murray only tried to protect himself and his ex-wife and if you can turn his action into another direction to suit a punishment for him God is a witness. You people should know that what you do to blacks generally in this country there will be a judgment awaiting.
          It is not just about Murray here but all the black community in the country is not being fairly treated and that is a shame

      • Mark Surles

        Piss on my head & tell me it’s raining mm. Smdh

        • lena crosson

          Wow so intelligent

      • Robert Wilson

        So George Zimmerman can use stand your ground law when he shot and killed Travon Martin in the back. But this man can’t use it while defending his family from 4 white men. And you don’t think it’s about race. It’s racism all the way. That stand your ground law was created to justify white people for killing black people.

        • lena crosson

          Robert Zimmerman is not White. He is a minority. I did not say I thought it was okay for him to get away with it. I simply said the law requires you to fear for your life. This guy had every right to fear for his life but he said his gun went off accidentally, if he said he shot to kill for fear he would have been able to use stand your ground. That was all I said.

          • Turntable Jones

            George Zimmerman has the appearance and name of being a white person. That in and of itself counts for something. This is not only about that case. We so called black ppl are tired of seeing basically innocent family members get killed because of the overall racist mindset that exists which implies that our ppl have more criminal intent than any other group of ppl. Due to that mindset, ppl are much more willing to find reasons to provide leniency to police even with video footage and clear evidence of obstruction of justice. Zimmerman is walking around

        • Theodore Ace Flettre

          .The gun went off and he wasnt intending it to that is the most concerning part of the story. If an innocent bystander got killed do you think he could still claim stand your ground? I assume he has a permit to carry the gun, No way should it have accidentally gone off if he was properly trained to have the carry permit.

      • Earl Morris

        But in the case of George Zimmerman pursuing and shooting Trayvon Martin, when police dispatch told him not to, “stand your ground” was justified! GTFOH!!!

      • justamom003

        Then explain the Trevon Case? The kid was defending himself from a stalker because he feared for his life and the guy shot him.

        • lena crosson

          Trayon had every right to fear since he was being followed the witnesses backed up zimmerman saying trayvon beat him to a pulp without zimmerman touching him that made stand your own ground come into place my opinon is the jury made a mistake since zimmerman shot trayvon in the back. I cant speak on this case until more facts are out. Because of the sensitivity we tend to judge with our emotions instead of looking at the facts as in the Michael Brown case by time that facts came out it was clear that he beat the cop and tried to take his gun and according to the witnesses the hands up don’t shoot never happened when we judge before the facts we don’t do any good for any of us. We have to demand that the media give us the facts instead of their opinions if something doesn’t change we are all in a lot of trouble

      • David Mitchell

        A) It stands to reason that the only reason the gun was out is because he feared for his life, thereby making SYG a reasonable defense,
        B) If the judge has decided that the gun went off on accident then how can he be charged with murder? With murder there has to be intent.

        • lena crosson

          Good point it would have to be lesser charge involuntary manslaughter and he srill can use self defence

      • Bob SMATH

        It makes perfect sense, this would not have happened by accident or on purpose, if they where not there. Maybe he should change it to on purpose because he probably knew if he said that in the first place, there is no way for those hillbilly judges would believe him, so either way he is screwed.

      • Nick Washington

        So, if you are about to be assaulted by three other men, while defending your wife, you are NOT allowed to use any means necessary to defend yourself?!

        • lena crosson

          I personally think he had every right to use whatever means necessary to protect his family what I said is by him saying that the gun went off accidentally it makes it hard for him to use stand your ground however he can still use self-defense I said based on what we know so far it appears that he was in his right and had every reason to fear

      • Lo A. Ray

        The disgusting part is had he intentionally shot and killed any of them the outcome of this case would be the same. No way Georgia’s letting a black man use a stand your ground defense against one white man, let alone four. Folks (i.e. white people) need to stop trying to explain this one away as if blacks are held to the same standards. The man is actually getting a harsher punishment for being LESS predatory than he could have. He should have just callously shot and killed them all with no regard… would have gotten the same sentence either way.

      • Alicia Johnson

        Why do I have to fear you to protect myself from you if you’re trying to hurt me? That makes no sense… But, I bet it makes sense to you.

      • Barbara Richardson

        If he wasn’t afraid why would he feel like he needed to pull his gun out. You have 3 drunk guys coming at you and you’re not suppose to be afraid. Yet a cop can kill an unarmed person and cry he feared for his life and get off.

      • Jerome Henderson

        In the heat of an altercation he drew his weapon for protection he already feared for himself and his family. That is when stand your ground began. He accidentally fired his weapon that he drew for protection. The judge went trible on his decision. Give me a break

      • fifthdentist

        Yeah, geez, whoever in his right mind would have fear for his/her life when he/she’s being beaten by four racist bastards?
        Obviously the victim should have let his assailants beat him into a coma, and one he came out of it he could make a sound decision on whether or not they had the capacity/will/hatred to kill him.

      • jrleftfoot

        Utter freaking nonsense. He got out his gun in self defense. Whether it discharged by accident is completely superfluous. What kind of logic insists that you deliberately kill somebody to use the defense?

      • Kyle McKenney

        Just as lack of common sense is the case for you.

      • Justtine Robinson-Jackson

        Would you fear for your life if you were attacked by three black men? Did the white guy who allegedly shot the 19 year old black girl fear for his life? If I’m not mistaken he used the stand your ground law. It may not be about race but it sure appears to be.

      • Shang Tsung

        “Stand your ground” will never be applicable when a black person tries to use it as a defense.!!!

      • James Sydnor

        Lena, Its allways about RACE. for instance, I bet the prosecutor wont seat an all Black jury. See my point

  • spacepuppy

    only southern whites can use this defense against black teens eating Skittles

    • Sol Rothstein

      Wrong !!!

      The problem with BLACK FOLKS is we are not KILLING the person we shoot…REMEMBER a dead man has no tales.

      Shoot to KILL and end that other OPINION.

      • Jason

        Hmmmm…… interesting.

      • Harry Bolzitch

        Waaahhh, everything is racism! Waaahhh!

        • Sol Rothstein

          Yes, it is and we can deal with it…CAN YOU…

          Hispanics are RUNNING WHITES out of America !!!

          • Harry Bolzitch

            Sure, keep telling yourself that Paco. It’s not the whites that live in daily fear of a new President being elected and you all having to make the tail-tucked-between-the-legs walk of shame back across the border without any hope of social welfare benefits from the U.S. anymore.

          • antony chavez

            Hispanics are not from Mexico,….they’re from Spain, Idiot………. Mexicans are from here, Indigenous Peoples of America,……..duh,…!

          • Mark Hurst

            The U.S. Census Bureau defines the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to “a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race” and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity. SPANIARDS are from SPAIN

          • Just Sayin

            What/Who they are is NOT defined by the US Census! They’re just too lazy to call them by who they are…doesn’t make it right!

          • Mario Pi Velez

            The term Hispanic covers all the citizens of countries in the Americas, the Caribbean and any other place that was conquered and populated by Spaniards. Latin, on the other hand, is more related to languages derive from the Latin language. That is why Italians and Portuguese are considered Latin also. In addition, Spaniard is a nationality not ethnicity. Therefore Spaniards are also Hispanic or Latin.

          • Clovebattlefield

            Hold up, let’s get one thing clear,. Those days of you people defining people are gone.. And never coming back…

          • ContessaSharra

            Spaniards = Españoles….

          • chiboy773

            Mexicans not from spain

          • Steven Lyles

            funny thing is whites benefit from welfare more than anyone, so guess u r an idiot…

        • The truth

          Yes it is especially when it’s this clear,

        • raheem

          Because it is

        • Tmoe1

          Hell, didn’t whites make it that way! Schools, water fountains, bathrooms, restaurants, even who you could play checkers with. Now it’s our fault! Let’s just forget y’all made EVERYTHING about race! GTFOH!

        • Ronnie Howard

          Waaahhh says the white guy from the comfort of home and judicial system

        • Mark Surles

          I wish you wake up black & see if you still feel the same. Jerk

    • lola sins

      Well, to pick a rather large nit nest, George Zimmerman is of mixed heritage. His mother has Afro-Peruvian blood on her maternal side….he identifies on his voting card as hispanic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman#Background That all said, he never should have been able to use the ‘stand your ground’ law. It was absurd it was even considered for a second given the facts that were on the 911 recording. He should be in jail. He is a murderer in every respect of the word for killing Travon Martin. (says a southern white woman)

      • Jason

        Since Hispanic isn’t a race – lets properly classify Mr Zimmerman = CAUCASOID (and definitely so by his actions). Miss me with the “Afro-Peruvian” crap. Recent history shows us that This guy HATES people classified as negroid aka black.

        • Harry Bolzitch

          Waaahhh, everything is racism and I’m gonna whine about it! Waaahhh!

          • Jason

            Not everything – just White Supremacy.

          • Tony

            Harry you are a Jackass my friend! Cant beliebe you ca even justify the fuckrete coming from your brain right now. Smh..

          • PJ

            You can laugh about it, like most of you do. Because it doesn’t affect you and you have no idea, the seriousness of it. So, you sit behind your keyboard making silly, ignoramus type comments like “racism, let me whine about it” when the reality means that it is literally life and death for people that have to deal with it. Ignorance is bliss.

          • DavidH

            @Harry Bolzitch
            Says a man, white as snow.

          • DavidH

            And I’ll bet you’re upset about the fact that with Asians, Spanish speaking persons and Blacks increasing in numbers daily, you’re whiteness is slowly becoming a minority. Get back to us when that officially ha[[ens.

          • Jhiggz Kharique Merritt

            Smh says the soulless one…

        • Jerome A. Hicks

          Thank you! Well said

        • Frederic Comoé

          Black American need to stop with the bullshit , afro peruvian are very proud of their African Roots and their blackness,so are afro colombians , Ecuadorians , Zimmerman has no African blood in him , he is white and amerindian ,that is the bottom line !!!!!

      • Alex

        Actually, Zimmerman’s defense did not rely on the stand your ground portion of the statute. Since he was on the ground being beaten when fired his gun, retreat was not an option.

        • Lee Perryman Jr

          could have just stayed in his car, not chase after that kid

          • Peter Johnson

            sure and the kid shouldn’t have attacked him ….

          • Daryl Lee

            White people are blind and stupid.

          • DavidH

            Really? That’s how you choose to remember it? Go back and read the reports again. Zimmerman saw Martin (in place that Martin had every right and reason to be) and decided he’d follow him to see what he up to. Martin attempted to elude Zimmerman but Zimmerman caught up to and attacked Martin who, in turn got the best of Zimmerman in the following scuffle. Then, after being knocked to the ground by Martin, Zimmerman shot him. While it may technically have been self defense, Zimmerman was nevertheless the instigator and attacker and his actions amount to murder.

            With your logic, if you saw someone you didn’t like, you could sneak up behind him and punch him in the head. Then when he turns to defend himself, you could pull out a gun and shoot him dead because you felt threatened.

          • Helena_Handbasket

            Funny thing is, even if Trayvon did throw the first punch, HE was the one standing his ground. He was just minding his business when a creepy guy in an SUV was stalking him. That’s how a lot of rape/trafficking incidents start.

          • Helene Crain-Maycock

            you’re and idiot..I hope someone attacks your child and then you can comment

          • Helena_Handbasket

            I wouldn’t wish anything on his child… but I sure wouldn’t mind seeing something happen to him, himself.

          • Mark Surles

            I see ur a bold racist.

          • Helena_Handbasket

            Trayvon was standing his ground against the creepy grown man who had been stalking him.

          • Helene Crain-Maycock

            Exactly! I hope eye for eye on him!

          • Alex

            True, but irrelevant. Leaving the car was also completely legal.

        • Mario Pi Velez

          So, a white guy is being attack by a black guy and he can defend himself. On the other hand, a black guy is attack by three white guys and he can not. If that isn’t bias then I don’t know what is.

          • Helene Crain-Maycock

            Exactly!

          • Alex

            I made no comment on the merits of this case. I don’t know enough about what happened to know if a self-defense claim is warranted. Maybe it is…

        • Mark Surles

          He also stalked that kid. So what do you think was on in on the kids mind. Couldn’t he have been frightened also.

          • Alex

            No, he didn’t stalk Martin. I think Martian wanted to either impress the girl he was talking to or just pick a fight. He may have been frightened, but he still returned and confronted Zimmeran and initiated the physical confrontation.

        • Demetria Dixon

          So he shot a kid in the back from the ground where he was being beaten. Miss me with your misguided bullshit. Whatever his race, he’s a murderer. If 4 black men attacked you would you wait until they finshed beating your ass to get your weapon. No because you fear for your life and if you wait they could beat you to death so you stand your ground. This is a miscarriage of justice. You’re blithely ignorant to the prejudice that is rampant.

          • Alex

            Martin was not shot in the back. And I made no comment on the merits of the case discussed in this article. I don’t know enough about it (and newspaper reports are notoriously inaccurate).

      • Edward C

        Zimmerman (who was in a different state) never actually used this defense. Martin’s father had friends on the police force and asked why they hadn’t charged GZ. His friends asked the detective conducting the case and he said the prosecutors said they didn’t think they could prove murder at this time. Also if they tried manslaughter or a lesser charge and GZ got an attorney to plead “Stand Your Ground” they didn’t think they could beat that defense yet. They needed time to work on it.

        TM’s father explained this to his mother. However in a time of grief, with a lot going on, she thought GZ had plead “Stand Your Ground” (in fact he hadn’t been charged with anything yet so he didn’t need to make a plea). She got in touch with the POTUS’ office and President Obama thought GZ plead “Stand Your Ground”. Then it hit the media and even worse the social media. Long story short, GZ ended up being charged with murder and plead self defense. He never tried to plead Stand Your Ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_George_Zimmerman

        The headline of this article accomplished what it intended to do. Take advantage of the misinformation in the media to stir up racial tensions yet again

      • Just Sayin

        Not if his dad was a judge! Not only that…he did not “identify” as that…

      • jimfetterolf

        He didn’t use “stand-your-ground”. Self defense was the plea.

      • Helene Crain-Maycock

        agree… that young man and many others should Not have been murdered… and it was about RACE all you ignorant idiots!

    • Edward C

      Zimmerman (who was in a different state) never actually used this defense. Martin’s father had friends on the police force and asked why they hadn’t charged GZ. His friends asked the detective conducting the case and he said the prosecutors said they didn’t think they could prove murder at this time. Also if they tried manslaughter or a lesser charge and GZ got an attorney to plead “Stand Your Ground” they didn’t think they could beat that defense yet. They needed time to work on it.

      TM’s father explained this to his mother. However in a time of grief, with a lot going on, she thought GZ had plead “Stand Your Ground” (in fact he hadn’t been charged with anything yet so he didn’t need to make a plea). She got in touch with the POTUS’ office and President Obama thought GZ plead “Stand Your Ground”. Then it hit the media and even worse the social media. Long story short, GZ ended up being charged with murder and plead self defense. He never tried to plead Stand Your Ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_George_Zimmerman

      The headline of this article accomplished what it intended to do. Take advantage of the misinformation in the media to stir up racial tensions.

    • P.Yew

      Statistics for the last 6 years based on a database compiled by the Tampa Bay Times on Stand Your Ground (SYG) law:

      Black 44 cases with 9 pending.

      11 convicted
      24 Justified

      Whites 76 cases with 11 pending

      25 Convicted
      40 Justified

      Discarding the pending case the breakdown is as follows.

      Blacks. Of the 35 black people who used SYG as a defence 68.5% were justifiable killings
      Whites Of the 65 white people who used SYG as a defense 61.5% were justifiable killings

      If your black and use the SYG defense you are more likely to be successful

    • Helena_Handbasket

      That’s not fair.. he was armed with skittles AND tea. So scary!

    • Theodore Ace Flettre

      The gun went off and he wasnt intending it to that is the most concerning part of the story. If an innocent bystander got killed do you think he could still claim stand your ground? I assume he has a permit to carry the gun, No way should it have accidentally gone off if he was properly trained to have the carry permit..

  • Deuce Prez

    The same BS wasn’t cited when George Zimmerman confronted NON-LAW-BREAKING Travon Martin, who was all by himself as he was simply walking to his father’s house!!

    There are TRULY two Americas and all of this racial bias in court cases only punctuates that fact!!

    • Sol Rothstein

      Florida and Georgia are two separate and different states.

      Georgia is more lenient on STAND YOUR GROUND, but you must be smart enough to KILL the person you shoot.

      Black folks too busy trying to front…KILL that person.

      • hereNT

        Isn’t this a murder trial?

    • Havoc Dog

      Oh please, show me the lines on the map, show me the separate statutes, show me where any race – creed – color – ethnicity – religious pref – gender – sex pref – whatever you may name is legally/Constitutionally biased against in the LAW. Fact is you can’t because this is the USA, the nation where ALL ARE CREATED EQUAL. Sure there are racists, just like the racists who hate America because of some racially based myth like law enforcement hunting black men for sport that is ridiculous. Sure we have nuts who hold judgeships, we have idiots who are in law enforcement, we have bigoted business owners, but so freaking what. Most Americans are pretty much color blind, those that aren’t are perpetuating the racism with their ridiculous and outdated ideas. Grow up. Furthermore Trayvon could have walked away, he took Zimmerman down hard and put the beat down on the fool, HE COULD HAVE WALKED AWAY…but chose instead to continue the beat down at which point he got his azz shot dead. More stupid infantile behavior…sure on both sides. Grow up, when the chance presents keep your mouth shut and walk away.

      • Wil Austin

        Havoc, read below!

        • Havoc Dog

          A bad judge. As I said BEFORE. A few bad individuals doesn’t make our great nation a racist cesspool. People who spew the crap are responsible for making things worse…you know like the media and the professional victims. I stand by my comment because it is true.

          • Jazzman450

            Great nation?! Do not blame the media! The media does not make people racist!

          • Havoc Dog

            You are a fool if you don’t think the media stirs things up and turns groups against each other with their BS. Wake up.

          • Andre Stringer

            In a way that is true because I also see a lot of that in the right wing media, talk shows, radio programs and websites.

          • The GrimReaper2116

            You sir are an idiot and a fool, you try to minimize the fact that there is racism in the legal system, this judge needs to be off the bench………too many black men and women have been released from serving long periods of time in prison for crimes they did not commit, their only crime was being a black person…………in this case this black man did the right thing to defend his wife and himself………..he should have killed everyone attacking him……

          • Havoc Dog

            Fool and idiot…hmmmm, reading comprehension much? I guess not. LEAGALLY there is no racism. AS I SAID THERE ARE RACISTS WITHIN THE SYSTEM, BUT THE NATION ITSELF IS FOUNDED ON PRINCIPLES OF EQUALITY. More people enjoy the freedoms and rights than are trampled by them. That deserves celebration rather than condemnation. Our nation is truly the most free on earth. The minority who practice racism are dying out in spite of mean spirited goons who try to stir things up. Open your eyes and see the real America. Land of the Free…unfortunately also home of too many idiots and whiners who suffer from “i’m a victim” mentality.

          • Jerome Cross

            Only whitefolks can say that, they really dont get it. So people dont waste time tslking to dis motherfucker shoot him on site

          • crazygemini12

            I blocked him straightaway. Anyone saying it was founded on equality is in need of more history classes or mental health counseling. How could it even be when non-whites and women weren’t considered people and only wealthy landowners were allowed to vote? 🙄 What kind of lies are these folks learning in school?

          • Havoc Dog

            Take a Constitutional history class. We led the world into the age of Democracy.

          • Havoc Dog

            Typical ghetto response, instead of trying to rise above a bad situation you make the situation worse and then have the unmitigated gall to actually believe you are right.

          • Carmen Akua

            Wrong Havoc Dog. Your response is typical of a white person who has never experienced being disliked just for the color of your skin. Typical response of a white person who has never been judged as stupid, inferior, a criminal, lazy, predator just because of race.

          • Sean Slappy

            I think you need to educate yourself. Just for one example, maybe look into the history of racial housing discrimination in America. For a good chunk of the 20th century the FHA explicitly refused to back loans to black people and at times even others who lived near black people.
            This wasn’t a few people being racist. This was policy and it had devastating effects that are still around today.
            This is just example that upends your position.

          • Havoc Dog

            Again, ready my post, there are racists, so what, there always will be those ignorant enough to hate just to hate, it is stupid but I guess they enjoy being stupid. Our nation is far from perfect but it is better than any other, I’ve lived in plenty of other nations and only a few come close to the freedoms we have as Americans. If it were so bad why are there so many Hispanics, Asians, Africans, Muslims, Buddhists, Athiests, you name it clamoring to come to America? Because they absolutely know it is better here.

          • Steven Lyles

            u see, glad u said this, as i live part time in west africa, i have many friends here in the U.S and their, if not for the money, which they make and go back when they can build, they would never chose this racist country, and if u think this is the best country aside from being able to make a living, small living, specially for most black, not cause they don’t want to work, but because ur fucked up discrimination, no one would come here, and all things u live offf was invented by us, so if not for us, where would u be fool, but just like rome feeled, so will this country, then when ur ppl are suffering, let’s see who will care for ur tears….

          • Richard Stuckmeyer

            Here’s an example that upends YOUR position. Back in the late 1970’s I applied for an FHA loan and that was denied. In a conversation with the FHA loan officer, he told me that had I been black, I would have been approved, no questions asked but, because I was white, I did not have that priveledge.

          • Ken Benjamin

            Havoc Dog. You do know when this nation was founded black people by law were considered only 3/4 human………..just checking.

          • Havoc Dog

            And worse than that in some states and territories. That was then, and it has been getting better…in fact I’d say we would be well on the way to seeing racism eradicated if we didn’t have so many race baiting politicians and media types. I really believe most Americans no longer really see color, we have millions of ethnically diverse families and that number is growing every year. Our nation will only be black AND white if people continue to force it to be rather than seeking common ground, recognizing we are much more alike than different and then celebrating the differences in our cultures and eventually melding them in the great melting pot that is America. Hate won’t get it done. Dwelling on the past won’t get it done. Grudges and blame won’t get it done. So do you want to get it done or continue doing the same old thing over and over? Me, I’m tired of the racist BS on any and all sides, enough is too much.

          • Havoc Dog

            300 years ago white ships captains were buying black people from other black people in Africa and bringing them across the Atlantic to sell. I’m pretty sure NONE of the slavers white or black thought much about the humanity of those they sold.

          • Andre Stringer

            I am certain you are aware before there were blacks slaves here. We had indentured servants and white Irish slaves who were bought and sold by other whites. There were black slave owners and some also owned black and whites slaves.

          • melaniecj

            How can the nation be “founded on principles of equality” for all when there was slavery and genocide at the start? And Jim Crow to follow….And you call people idiots.

      • Jazzman450

        You are an Idiot! How do you know he didn’t try and walk away! Zimmerman had no business approaching Trayvon! All are not created equal! Did you forget there was a law, that stated black folks are 3/5 of a human being! America still treat black folks 3/5 of a human being! Maybe you should keep your dumba$$ mouth close! Idiot!!

        • Havoc Dog

          Hmmmm. well BECAUSE HE WASN’T SHOT IN THE BACK. Now who is the idiot? I think we all know. FACT: Either could have walked away. FACT: Neither did. FACT: Two clowns looking for trouble.

          • Jazzman450

            And how was Trayvon looking for trouble? Trayvon was minding his own business! Idiot! And what does getting shot in the back have to do with anything?! You are a real dumba$$!! Lol! Lol!

          • Definitely Maybe

            If Trayvon was just minding his own business, why did he approach Zimmerman? He was near the back of his dad’s GF’s place, why did he go back towards Zimmerman?

          • Helena_Handbasket

            So the creepy stalker didn’t see where he lived probably.

          • Havoc Dog

            Oh the names, my feelings are hurt, typical liberal. If you don’t understand how where he was shot at is an important fact then I’m afraid you are beyond my ability to explain it to you. Tell yourself what you will, evidently that is your forte.

      • coptic777

        Dumb comment considering that Zimmerman was told to stand down by law enforcement. Instead he gets out of his car WITH A GUN! Somehow to you despite his prior record and post run ins you are dumb enough to actually think Trayvon was the aggressive one? You really represent the low IQ of the average American today. Wow just wow!

        • Havoc Dog

          You are the one making dumb comments. Trayvon beat the living s$%^ out of Z and could have walked away at any time, instead he pushed it and got shot for it. They were BOTH idiots looking for trouble, how do you not understand the facts? Like all low brows you react emotionally rather than intellectually, now what was that about IQ???

          • Jazzman450

            You need to learn the facts!!

          • Helena_Handbasket

            Havoc just gets upset at the thought of anything bad happening to grown men who follow teenagers at night. Interferes with his sense of safety while looking for dates.

        • middle ground

          I love you comment. Only because when someone or some group posts the criminal history about a victim shot by a cop lots of people say his/her past dont matter. But here you are saying it does.

          All that aside from what I saw and read about Zimmerman he got his ass beat and shot the kid for revenge. Thats my take and he should be in jail.

        • Helena_Handbasket

          On a wholly unrelated note, I find your combination of name and number interesting. (In the good way)

      • Dwayne Edwards

        Haha ur funny, thats like saying the kkk didnt hang and burn blacks hunted t0hem down, id like to see a white person misthreated and take it with a smile, man there would be something done, so lets all stop the act, why isnt all the gun organization doing for him what they have done for white america set him free, when we see that then we have america not white or black america.

        • Havoc Dog

          Maybe he’s not a member of the NRA. Maybe there’s more to the story. Maybe it is as simple as his lawyer is keeping them out of it. Maybe dredging up old dead history doesn’t help his case or win your argument. As I said, people who want to play the victim and the blame game are a big part of the problem…you are stereotyping…isn’t that just like prejudice? Yes it is.

      • quantom

        What a waste of time writing. All aren’t created Equal. what Country have you been living in.. Trayvon was walking away when he was caught by that scum. But anyway, how would one know when the attacker is trying to really hurt you or kill you.. Why is it when all cops say they feared for their life, then its ok to shoot, But not this black man who was under attack. You are why he shouldhave killed them all. I would like to see you walk away while your family is in harms way..you must be real gutless. I take it then if 3 or 4 for black men were beating on 1 white man, you would say the white man should just walk away or run.. keep is gun hidden.. Your full of it. Can I have your KKK suit. I am hood

        • Havoc Dog

          What are you saying, because it seems like you are arguing with yourself…as to my KKK suit, sorry they refused my application…I wasn’t white and right enough. My point about Trayvon was really pretty simple…if either of them had shown just a little bit of maturity and respect this would have been avoided…but no they both had step up and be bad ass. As to my gutlessness, well I served 25 years in the military and deployed more times than I care to remember. I’ve done my duty, I’ve served…what have you done besides complain?

      • Jason

        So what happens when those racists you mention above are on the police force, court room , juries and in the Prosecutor’s office? Just curious – you think Black people get any consideration under that “ALL ARE CREATED EQUAL” crap you outlined above?

        Most here know George Zimmerman is a lying piece of crap. There is no way he left the cover of his vehicle and ran into the darkness to question someone about where they were going in a peaceful manner. He was looking for trouble – just like he continues to look for it today. I pray he FINALLY TO CONCLUSION gets what he is looking for.

      • Ken Benjamin

        Havoc Dog. You are from THIS planet, right?……..just checking.

        • Havoc Dog

          Why, is immaturity a prerequisite to be from this planet?

      • Steven Lyles

        this is why no blacks can talk with whites, they are narcissists to the 3rd degree an will never take blame, but am ok with that, as their judgment will be worst than all others on earth, satan may use u now, but won’t be there when u have to answer after death, which will come…

    • Dustin

      Do you REALLY believe the shat that you spout ?

    • getalifesmackey

      Lol…there’s one America but more than one State that makes up America. You’re a fool. Educate yourself before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

    • Harry Bolzitch

      Waaahhh, everything is racism! Waaahhh! Every court system found the non-white Zimmerman to be innocent but I’m gonna never stop whining about everything anyway. Waaahhh!

    • Edward C

      Zimmerman (who was in a different state) never actually used this defense. Martin’s father had friends on the police force and asked why they hadn’t charged GZ. His friends asked the detective conducting the case and he said the prosecutors said they didn’t think they could prove murder at this time. Also if they tried manslaughter or a lesser charge and GZ got an attorney to plead “Stand Your Ground” they didn’t think they could beat that defense yet. They needed time to work on it.

      TM’s father explained this to his mother. However in a time of grief, with a lot going on, she thought GZ had plead “Stand Your Ground” (in fact he hadn’t been charged with anything yet so he didn’t need to make a plea). She got in touch with the POTUS’ office and President Obama thought GZ plead “Stand Your Ground”. Then it hit the media and even worse the social media. Long story short, GZ ended up being charged with murder and plead self defense. He never tried to plead Stand Your Ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_George_Zimmerman

      The headline of this article accomplished what it intended to do. Take advantage of the misinformation in the media to stir up racial tensions even more

    • P.Yew

      The SYG defense was NOT used in the Zimmerman case.

  • TeeRoy Woodfin

    That defense only works for White folks!

    • Sam197859

      proof, please?

      • RiverMikeRat

        This case and four others like it where the black defendant was denied SYG defense.

    • Edward C

      Zimmerman NEVER plead stand your ground. It’s another media fallacy. The story about GZ pleading “Stand Your Ground” was circulated by the media before GZ was even charged with anything. GZ plead self defense. This headline is just designed to stir up race relations yet again.

  • Markice Lewis

    I was about say the same thing…Isn’t this a murder trial??

  • Errol Duplessis

    This was a white supremacist ruling by the judge, who stood up for white rule. How convenient.

    • Sam197859

      Proof, please? The media is selling this story. I would be worry about the, spin, here. Right now, race and religion sells. Divide and conquer is a money maker.

      • Jazzman450

        This country was built on division, long before the media!

    • Sam197859

      There is, obviously, more to this story than what is being reported. If the story is true, then the judge is wrong but I would never leave the, media,off, easily, either.

  • TomJones

    Has nothing to do with black or white like the article suggests. The guy said he accidentally discharged his gun. Thats not self defense for fear of life or injury. He basically went to court and told them he accidentally killed someone. His lawyer is an idiot for letting him say that.
    “During the struggle I feared for my life and I shot him” …he would be a free man.

    • RiverMikeRat

      We can hope. But, it’s Georgia, so I doubt it.

    • Alex

      Exactly. Where was the guy’s lawyer in this and why did he let the guy say the discharge was accidental? That’s like reason #3 that self-defense claims get rejected.

  • Michael Jenkins

    He is black. and in Georgia and the 4 men that tried to assault and kill him and his wife were white. I am surprised the racist court didnt just say right out that black men have no right to defend themselves against whites and just order him stung up. Republican states are racist. The justice system is a joke. 4 men tried to all beat him and he defended himself and cant even use that as a defense but a rich white kid can murder four people drunk driving and gets probation. Can rape an a woman and get 3 months. Republicans are the most racist people on the planet and this ruling surprises anyone?

    • TomJones

      I noticed your profile pic. If you shot someone and claimed self defence but then told the court your gun accidentally discharged, what do you think the outcome would be? It doesn’t matter what you meant to say, it matters what you did say. Not everything is racist. Sometimes its just stupidity.

      • David Dejesus

        You have got to be kidding…3 guys are not enough?..how many more judge?5 -10-15-20..you know what I’ll do the time for this guy.I have no kids…I’ll stand in for him..we need more people to step up and condemn this judge his ruling and check how many people he wrongly convicted.How many ?..seriously folks check his ruling’s with a fine tooth comb.There might just be innocent people behind bars let alone over sentenced individuals.Today people let’s go especially those who live in this area were this travesty and blatant use of judicial powers let’s go people justice has no patience for injustice.

        • TomJones

          It doesn’t matter how many guys it was. Ho told the judge he accidentally discharged his weapon. He convicted himself. If you fear for your life you intentionally fire. All he had to say was he feared for his life and he fired his weapon. By saying it was an accident he sealed his own fate. I’m not saying the guy was wrong, or that the ruling didn’t suck, but he was an idiot for saying what he said ….. and his lawyer was an idiot for letting him say it.

          • RiverMikeRat

            I’m wondering what are the chances that if the roles were reversed (white guy defending white wife against black men) how the judge would have ruled. We can hope it would be the same way, but I personally doubt it.

          • Jazzman450

            You know the white person would have been set free!

          • RiverMikeRat

            Yeah, pretty sure you’re correct.

          • Jason

            Oh they already have been. The dead guy’s friend shot at the dude after the accidental shooting took place. The police didn’t arrest any of the dead dude’s friends.

          • David Dejesus

            Maybe ..

  • djs

    Unbelievable !!!!!!

  • RiverMikeRat

    Strange how I read that the suspect is being misrepresented by attorney Davis and not represented by him.

  • Jazzman450

    So, white folks have the right to protect themselves, and black folks can’t?! This is bull$hit!! Unfair justice in America!

    • Jason

      Not when the other person is White.

  • Dturner

    Wait georgia has a castle doctrine law this judge is racist that’s a fact. Stand your ground law is one sided when it comes to color let’s get the news involved because this is bullshit!

  • Autry Chambliss

    NEVER PULL OUT WHAt — you don’t intend to use.. especially in the south..

  • Dustin

    So , he had a firearm in a bar . Last I knew that is illegal . Illegal possession of a firearm in an establishment negates his claim of self defense ! Having said that , I also would have shot those sumbitches !

    • Jason

      Some stories say that the guys were not allowing his wife to leave the bar with him. I know I know…

  • George Eric Lynn

    Keep supporting these Republicans you southern black folks wiil learn one way or another….

  • George Eric Lynn

    When will you all learn that these laws are created for the White’s not us, il give you a couple of examples……crackcocain powder cocain same thing, only whites get caught with same amout of grams only the white have powder the blacks or brown have crack….crack gets more time than powder, George Zimmerman can shoot 1 unarmed teen in the chest and cry stand your ground its granted, black man gets jumped by 3 mind 3 white guy’s owe you can’t use stand your ground,,,,racist ass fucking judge this country is so fucked up with racist sonsof bitches in charge,,,,,people get out and vite in November especially you southern states. Fuck the racist Republican party….

    • quantom

      These folks must only watch FOW NEWS. or they really just drop in from a planet we don’t know about. The GOP for the most part wont even try to hide their hate towards blacks, and other minorities. Make America Great Again..what years

    • Definitely Maybe

      This was just a hearing, asking for immunity, it’s not the trial – this person can still be found not guilty at trial. Zimmerman’s defense never attempted to have this hearing – his defense was strictly “self defense” which could, and sounds like should apply to this person… but we’ll have to wait and see – right now people are jumping to conclusions

  • Alvin Anyiah

    I guess you cant fear for your life and draw a weapon. Well a cop drew his weapon and it went off and killed someone in new york and he got NO jail time. Lets see what happens when someone actually was scared because FOUR guys attempted to fight him and he drew his weapon. Lets all wait and see……….

    • Jason

      Don’t hold your breath on this one.

  • cslagenhop

    If you disagree with the judge’s ruling, appeal it. Justice is blind.

    • Jason

      Except when she peeks out from under her blindfold, or when she reads your name of Jamal and Antoinne.

  • Fillet John

    Some judge. What racism?

  • http://nyctalking.com/ Angel Rodriguez

    I think the way this judge caught this dude is via that contradiction. “It was an accident, but let’s use the stand your ground law.” It’s one or the other, accident or intentional? I don’t know all the facts on this story, other than what I read here, so this is hard to call, but I hope the truth comes out either way.

  • James B.

    Claiming that a gunshot was accidental is an admission that it wasn’t a justified act of self-defense, even if it is a mitigating factor.

  • Zach

    Racist America. .double standards trying to continue to supress us as a people. This is fucked up …

  • Jennie

    Let me make this clear, in case people carrying haven’t had this explained to them before, YOUR shot MUST be intentional, rapid, and born of fear if you expect not to go to jail. You can’t fire a warning shot first, this lacks fear. Your gun can’t go off accidentally, this lacks fear. Every shot must be intentional and meant to stop your assailant. Period. You can “miss”, but not fire a warning. Are you guys following me? Are the laws skewed? In this case yes. If they jumped him before he could get a shot off, he’s now engaged in a scuffle, gun in hand. Should the fact the gun went off before he intended matter? No.

  • Bren HWright

    Only white cops are fearful of their lives when they encounter a black person who is unarmed with hands in the air laying on their face, etc. Whites can get away with this but it doesn’t apply to others.

  • Corey Harris

    That inconsiderate Klansman is a disgrace to a system that is designed to hear arguments and evidence,and in this case I’m guessing that the bar had no security cameras,but either way the white Klansman being an ex police officer took upon himself to feel he was still a policeman and he felt the defenseless mother and children were ripe for the picking but that asshole judge is a vengeful RACIST that want nothing more than to see this black man jailed and allow the others to walkaway. The GOID OLD SOUTH REARS IT’S UGLY HEAD AGAIN.!! Shame on you judge whatever your name is. Yes I said this and will always say it you’re a Klan sympathizer and a joke to be in such a seat of decision making. Young black king you did what was right. The universe shall have your best interest. And if the Annunaki are watching It is time for you all to step in and reconcile this planet especially those responsible for all of these evil intents on harming the original man and woman of this Earth.

  • Bill

    “Stand your Ground” does not apply to black people…It is used for white men as a “Get out of Jail” free card after they kill black men.

    • Darichieeee

      awwwww yo black ass trigggered??

  • Tyrone Ward

    Zechariah 11:5 “Whose possessors slay them, and hold themselves not guilty: and they that sell them say, Blessed be the LORD; for I am rich: and their own shepherds pity them”.

    While under enslavement to the wicked, the wicked will be the one´s exonerated for their behavior and given praise for their actions towards the Children of GOD (when their actions are twisted and evil) . Within THE BEAST system construct those who bow to it´s institutions are the one´s privileged by it. Those who are still enslaved under the BEAST system construct do not have the same privileges bestowed to them, so they do not get away with what others are capable of, even if it´s the same situation.

    The Beast and it´s Minions that control the construct are not interested in Justice not unless it´s on their terms and it´s they who have fallen victim. Gotta remember who is in charge of this world ( 2 Corinthians 4:4) and it´s nothing benevolent nor just.

  • vej 48

    You cannot even shame these Retards…CHRIST………

  • george

    F#$k these hate dog laws they need to everyone of these racist judges and law makers and hang them for the crimes of blacks and mankind peoird

  • spike spiegel

    cant wait foe the defacation to hit the oscillation im going to fight alongside my african american comrades

  • klilly

    What a shock that this law only applies to white people. The Klan is busy these days.

    This is yet another reason fir me not to give a crap about any other race on earth.

  • Karen Ellis

    karen

  • Dana Bee Johnson Sr.

    The Lord is going to open the sky one day, riding on the clouds, rapturing his…. and you haters of other races other than your own… will be left behind…. RACIST will be deeply embedded… LOST and receiving a beat down orchestrated by the Lord himself… HELL AWAITS EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM…. SMH!!!

  • Pat Farris

    This is why you never make any kind of statement to the police. They will end using anything you say against you.

  • cml3g

    If he didnt kill anyone THEN HE SHOULDNT BE GOING TO JAIL. If 4 people was trying to beat up one then they obviously tried to hurt him in some way. ZIMMERMAN GOT OUT HIS CAR AND WENT AFTER A CHILD WHO WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HIM, thus left the safety of his car, killed the child and got off. Ol girl fires a warning shot and got time. this LAW IS FLAWED

  • Dena Johnson

    Hypocrisy Is Blatantly Clear!
    Nay sayers, say what you may.😒
    THIS has everything to do with race! If it would have been a Caucasian/European/White person pulling that trigger, protecting his family and self. Would be home with his family, period! Popping beers and being cheered on with those of the racists mindset or saddened by those who have an ounce of humanity.
    Persons of Color = Not Applicable to the Same Judicial System…

  • karretop

    THATS INSANE. BUT THE COP COULD PANIC AND KILL CASTILO AND HE GETS TO USE “IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE” – SICK AND TWISTED

    • Helene Crain-Maycock

      agreed. …the post is from 2016 but it’s still relevant

  • awarrior

    ‘Stand Your Ground’ is only for white folks.

  • SuperDelicate

    Stand your ground laws are just for white people who kill black and brown people.

  • YImes Green

    People went from stand ur round to history class

  • Mark Surles

    It’s painfully obvious that stand your ground wasn’t intended for blacks.

  • damon

    Race is not the only issue in this case.The keywords in this story are former police officer. Do you honestly think a judge is going to go against a police officer present or former? If you can not see this you have to be crazy.

  • Dero

    Stand your ground law was never intended for black people clearly he was defending himself and his family Zimmerman actually followed a young child when dispatch told him not to created conflict murdered Trayvon and got off what a world we live in the whole justice system rotten.

  • Charlie Robinson

    If a white man defended himself against (3) black man, he would be hailed as a hero for stopping (3) thugs.

  • A H

    Yeah we can say racist and the others can say it was because the guy said it was an accident, but the words “FORMER POLICE OFFICER” is all you really need to know. Anybody can see that a 4 on 1 situation would make anyone fear for their life. It’s a kill or be killed situation.

  • Kenneth Roach

    Say what it is…. Negroes are not privy to such defenses are “affluence” and other terms made specifically for white people, just like stand your ground . We should not be shocked by this news. The court system is working as it was designed. That is to incarcerate those that the laws were intended to LOCK UP! Before the release of slaves, there probably was no more than one or two laws that were enforced. But the more and more blacks started to make their way, laws were created to Stop them….. So there are black and white laws. Don’t end up in a white court room…

  • Tyesha Brown

    But Zimmerman was okay to use that with one teenage boy…oh okay

  • Keith Ogden

    I understand the accidental shooting and not purposefully pulling the gun to protect ones self, but the intent in the altercation WAS to defend himself. The gun went off as he was protecting himself and standing his ground, still applies.

  • Ray S

    I DON’T CARE IF THE GUN WENT OFF BY ACCIDENT OR HE SHOVED UP THE GUYS ASS AND PULLED THE TRIGGER. HE NEEDED TO BE STOPPED AND IF THAT STOPPED HIM THEN ITS A GOOD SHOOTING.

  • Stay Black

    Obviously stand your ground is not meant to protect black people, that law was designed so whitefolks can kill black folks and have a legal justification. Blacks people are a endangered species in this country. In the reign of trump we are all fucked.

    • Stay Black

      Let four white motherfuckers attack my family Im shooting all them bitches, and wait on the police.

  • Kasey763

    In other words, if white guys are threatening you, have no fear they wouldn’t actually hurt you, when has history shown there was ever a case of a white man hurting a person of color…..?

  • Darrell Edison

    Only a white judge could sit there and say it was not reasonable for this black man to fear for his life when he was being confronted by 4 white men and trying to protect his ex-wife. This is another example of white privilege.

  • igfarben

    Wow. A trained police officer can be afraid for his life by an unarmed black man but a black man confronted by a white cop and his buddies can’t be.

    • Robert Jenkins

      Excellent point!

  • Eric Sampson

    Just shut up already damn!

  • Brent Conley

    In the end a justice system swayed by the ethnicity of those it presides over will fail to deliver justice. The reasoning and logic used to interpret this case concerning stand your ground, is ethnically biased. It could be just as easily said that in the course of using the weapon for self defense it was discharged prematurely. Explainable and reasonable in a confrontational setting where one is outnumbered 1 to 4. The justice system is a tool of white supremacy specifically tooled to incarcerate black or people of color. The numbers never lie but the law does

  • April Bonilla

    Just because the ASSHOLE victim was WHITE an an “EX-COP” that is the ONLY reason why he was not granted SYG Wake the hell up my people !!!!!

  • Marquita Streeter

    As a black man being assaulted by 3-4 white men, you better believe he feared for his life. And as a black man pulling a gun on 3-4 white men you better believe he hesitated because again he feared for his life. There would be no good outcome for him in this situation. Protect himself and his family and he goes to prison. Don’t protect himself his family and get severely beaten or worse. He had no options.

  • truth_hurts

    I cant wait until the day people of color start to fight back. they claim they fear us, well lets give them something to fear. If I’m ever put in a situation where my life or family life is in danger do the white provoking an attack on me, I’m gonna defend my self by need means necessary.

  • kathy658

    Oh my….how are we not supposed to believe that the law is against certain people. How many white guys have used this law and got away with murder? I’m so sick of this.

  • maxdude

    There’s a reason why you should never talk to police without a lawyer. Anything you say can and will be against you in the court of law. You need to understand that in the courtroom it’s not about the truth- it’s ONLY about winning. He talked and they used his own words against him. To you and me he was in his right to protect his family from gang of racists, but because of what he said to police ,in the courtroom that alone will cost him his freedom. Very unfortunate 🙁

  • whitecat31

    Where is the NRA when you need them? Where was the NRA for Castille? The NRA no longer represents us gun owners. It only care about ensuring ammo and gun sales, and not our rights.

  • strike freedom

    “good ole white boy” system, good luck 🙁

  • Tony Prost

    Well, he shouldn’t have been black.

  • Mary Kay Baker

    This man clearly felt the mother of his children was threatened. I don’t know if it should be called stand your ground or just plain self-defense or defense of another person. I am not an attorney, I just know that it is not rational to believe a person is not threatened when there are four against one. The fact he was also protecting the mother of his children just strengthens this. Drunk or not, what was an off duty police officer doing harassing a woman in a bar. When four men harass a woman, no one knows what the outcome can be so saying he had no reason to be threatened is just bullshit. They pushed him, he probably produced the gun to get them to back off and it went of accidently. They had no business harassing this women, with four of them, you don’t know what the outcome might have been. When I was young there where a couple of times a few drunk men harassed me and it scared the life out of me. Even if they didn’t intend anything, she didn’t know that and neither did he.

  • idj4u2

    Trevor Noah of the Daily Show put it best were is the NRA at on this only white people are aloud to protect them selfs why we should just be beaten and shot!!!!

  • Alicia Johnson

    Why do I have to “fear” in order to protect myself, and it be justified in court? “YOU” are not God, therefore I am neither intimidated nor afraid. But I will shoot you dead if you seek my hurt or the hurt of my family!

  • Robert Jenkins

    Unfortunately, to illuminate the precedence that’s being proposed here. I think it is valid to use the most common denominator. Race, in this particular scenario is not only the elephant in the room; it’s the actual room as well. ? How would you explain to me, how a victim of a crime ends up being prosecuted as a perpetrator of said crime? This happens virtually every time in this type of situation when the victim is black.
    Black men, women and children are being victimized and then by use of the “law” made into perpetrators at a totally obscene rate, in comparison to all other races. Why? I think not seeing this as a problem says volumes about the viewer.
    Does a man really have to be shot 16 times because the arresting police officer felt his life was in danger? I agree that per the “law” “stand your ground” was not the most appropriate (while absolutely relevant) stance to take. However I feel that a stance of second degree manslaughter would be inappropriate as well but closer to the truth.
    Personally I feel there was no guilt or crime perpetrated by Jessie Murray or his family who was being victimized by the 4 perps one of which was an ex-cop.
    Since this country’s beginning the “law” has been skewed, misrepresented, and prostituted to the point of total obscurity. Basically the “law” is laughable. It’s obvious that for most people the law is just a pay per play money pit devoid of any morality or true justice.
    I’m sure you will agree that the law is not infallible. Laws are being changed every day. Law in this country and many others is at best, a social engineering tool used by the ruling class to “Hide their dirt with a noble cause” That being said this is one area where it needs to be fixed. The law is obviously not by the people for the people especially where poor or other non-whites are concerned.
    My major concern is why is there so much push back? The bottom line is the truth is inevitable. Be it 50yrs or 500yrs from now the truth will be known. Who are you? Do you really want to die knowing you were opposed to what was right, or the truth. What’s the payoff? Does it really make you feel better about yourself to know that you can kill, or take a crap on someone with impunity?
    This isn’t a video game. Innocent people are being killed. Whole generations of children are being raised with a “us/them” mentality. Violence and injustice can only beget Violence and injustice, that is a proven historical fact.
    I find it so hard to believe that there are so many people that have not evolved as social/human beings in this day and age with all the technological advancements that have been made in the last couple of centuries. It’s painful to watch. PEACE!

  • John Singleton

    actually since the judge was not in place where crime occured her opinion of what happened should not be envolved -it is up to the jury to decide the facts not her

  • Randall McCarroll

    If you carry your you should belong to the nra and cca both have legal defense teams for this situation because the government tries to make the person who defended them selves the bad guy and the attackers the victim

  • AnotherDem

    It was because the gun was in the black guy’s hand? I guess it’s because the attacking white guys had no chance of winning, the one black guy is automatically guilty in the judge’s mind. A black guy is about to go to jail for bringing a gun to a 3 on 1 fist fight. Really, is this real or is it racism.

  • AnotherDem

    Court documents described Murray as being assaulted. What part does the judge not get? Being assaulted. I would only agree with the judge if “court documents described Murray as being insulted.”

    But is he was not being insulted he was being “assaulted.”

  • AmberGW

    If the roles were switched, what do you think the outcome would have been ? Of course this is a sarcastic question, because I’m sure we all know the answer…

  • David A. McCraw

    Clayton county, North GA, REALLY….why would he be there anyway. It’s like me going into inner city Atlanta being a white man, chances of survival are nil. Reality, if he shoots a bunch of thugs who are trying to beat him because of the color of his skin he had every right to shoot them, even if an accident. They got what they deserved and he shouldn’t be charged. Same is true of anyone regardless of race.

  • Jim Wrubel

    He was in far more peril than George Zimmerman was when he shot Travon Martin yet white man Zimmerman walked, after initially not even being chargedc.

  • Msknoitall

    Why is he even on trial, three against one, this was clearly self defense!

  • David

    Judge can’t understand the difference between using the threat of deadly force to protect oneself and the actual use of force

  • McLovin

    Lemme guess. The judge is white. A white racist judge?