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Black Twitter blasts Angelina Jolie for portraying Egypt’s Queen Cleopatra in upcoming film

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For the second time in her career, Angelina Jolie is set to portray a black woman (the first time was  her role as Mariane Pearl in A Mighty Heart).

According to an interview conducted by the BBC, Jolie revealed that she will retire from acting after portraying the Egyptian queen Cleopatra in an upcoming film.

For centuries, there have been debates over the race of Queen Cleopatra. She ruled in Egypt starting in 51 B.C. Although she spent time in Rome, Cleopatra’s family lived in Egypt for 300 years, according to Egyptologist Sally Ann Ashton. As a result, it was highly likely that Cleopatra was black and of African descent.

But Hollywood has whitewashed Cleopatra for years. Elizabeth Taylor starred as Cleopatra in 1961 and Jolie will follow with an inaccurate portrayal of the Egyptian ruler.

Moments after it was revealed that Jolie will star as Cleopatra, black Twitter displayed disapproval.

 

 

 

 

 


127 Comments

  1. Lyric on June 3, 2014 at 12:32 pm

    Even if we don’t use the term “Black” to describe Cleopatra, she was Egyptian and that is definitely not of Eurpoean descent. As an African Amerian community who disapproves of Hollywood’s often lack of reporting the facts, hit them where it hurts….in the pocket! Don’t support the movie and defintely don’t ramp its image up by talking about it on social media!

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    • kristian on January 4, 2015 at 8:20 pm

      Actually Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek, so most probably, she wasn’t black 😉

      • OK on January 6, 2015 at 4:44 pm

        Actually she was African, Greece did not exist before Egypt.

        • Steve Bunnell on February 25, 2015 at 7:48 pm

          Greece and the Macedonian Empire were very much in existence by the time Cleopatra came around, actually (1st century BC). Cleopatra descended directly from Ptolemy I, one of Alexander the Great’s generals, and they kept their family pretty much entirely Macedonian. So Cleopatra almost certainly looked Greek/Macedonian.

          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 5:31 am

            they kept their bloodline completely greek for 300 yrs on a black continent? believe what your heart wants to believe steve but your still foolish. and who’s to say ptolemy was white? there were black greeks then as there are black greeks now. if alexander could sail across the med. or traverse the arabian peninsula, black africans were just as capable of doing the same and archeologist prove that they did. last one: the greeks weren’t white: Mind-Blown.



          • Sharon37 on July 20, 2015 at 2:11 am

            The original Greeks were the Myceneans and yes they were black. But, they were later on intermixed with Proto Indo Europeans (ancient Europeans). Which is why they are olive complexion with curly hair even today. Before Alexander invaded Egypt, people throughout Africa and the Mediterranean traveled to Egypt to study. They had massive libraries with ancient writings, they were the first to invent feild of medicine, irrigation system, astrology, architecture. Egypt was the USA of its day. Greeks learned what they knew from Egytpuans and took it back to continental Europe. Historians have long known Africans were in Greece but they simply wrote them off as slaves. They did that often and have whitewashed history. There is ancient art showing Black Greeks. Another thing, Egyptans didn’t have a history of slavery, they paid their workers. And, despite what the Old Testament says, Egypt didn’t particiate in chattel slavery. Also, something to ponder. Egypt left hieroglyphs on their walls telling everything about themselves,how they looked, how they shaved their heads and wore wigs, their grooming practice, eating habits, wars they fought and with whom in great, vivid details. It’s like they knew their history would be changed and they wanted to leave behind who they were. Yet, despite all of this information they left behind, not once did they mention any 10 plagues. Not even one plague. This, from a great nation that recorded almost everything. Now, think on that.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 22, 2015 at 8:17 pm

            All the evidence we have of the Ptolemaic Dynasty suggests that they practiced incest in the same way that their ethnically Egyptian predecessors did. That’s not to say that every single generation was born out of brother-sister marriage, but what it does suggest is that they all were pretty darn Macedonian. Also, if by “black Macedonians” you’re referring to Cleitus the Black, he almost certainly was called that because of his hair color and darker complexion, not because he had sub-Saharan African ancestry. That’s a ridiculous thing to suggest.



          • Sharon37 on July 22, 2015 at 9:28 pm

            What is ridiculous to suggest is that black Sudan and Nubia which bordered Egypt never exchanged DNA with each other. Mankind has been roaming the world having sex with half Human Neanderthals and Denisovans who looked wildly different from humans yet Egyptians never intermingled with other black populations in their region? THAT is ridiculous. Spain is separated from Africa by just 8 little miles. That 8 miles use to be a land bridge. Yet somehow, people have trouble accepting that Spain has African ancestry both ancient and recent when only 8 miles separate them. People lose their common sense when they discuss ancient Africa.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 23, 2015 at 1:10 pm

            I don’t know where you got the idea that I’m arguing that intermarrying was impossible. I was arguing that it’s extremely unlikely that Cleopatra was “black” in any meaningful way, not that she didn’t have any black people whatsoever in her ancestry.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 6, 2015 at 3:40 am

            great reads.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on July 25, 2015 at 4:47 am

            not referring to cleats the black, i say the greeks weren’t white, because they weren’t. they were a mix between arabs, africans (of all shades), and southern europeans (who, at that time, were not white). the mediterranean was almost literally a melting pot thousands of years before the civilizations began to even root. “white” greeks and other southern euros today have an overwhelming statistically significant dNA composition consistent with sub-saharan groups compared to there more nordic “white” brethren. Facts, there were blacks in Alexander’s ancient greek empire (that were;t slaves), there were large black populations in northern Africa then as there are now, and egypt, despite your protests, is African soil, and believe it or not there aint a spot on that continent that black people haven’t touched.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 26, 2015 at 3:02 pm

            W-ow…whatever it is you’re smoking, I have to try it.

            There is no evidence of anything you are saying. Like, at all. The notion that Greeks are part Arabic is bizarre and not borne out by any archaeological evidence.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on July 27, 2015 at 4:26 pm

            arabs are a panethnicity. they aren’t a race, so yes the greeks were mixed with arabs. you aren’t smart at all.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 27, 2015 at 7:04 pm

            LOL, you’re going to have to back up your assertions if you want them to be believable. For example, let’s see your evidence that Greeks are part of the Arabic ethnicity, or that “Greeks were mixed with Arabs,” as you put it.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on July 27, 2015 at 10:24 pm

            jesus christ your an idiot. Arab/middle-eastern is a panethnicity. meaning that IT in an of itself is a mix. The greek Empire literally encompassed the fertile crescent. And “Greeks” aren’t a race.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 28, 2015 at 4:31 pm

            Apology accepted. The “Greek Empire” didn’t encompass the fertile crescent at any time. The Persian Empire did, and when Alexander conquered the region, it became part of the Macedonian Empire. But you seem to be under the erroneous impression that once Alexander conquered a region, the people of that region instantly became “Greeks” – which is completely and entirely wrong. One became Greek (or “Hellenic,” as they would have called it) by speaking a Greek dialect, being of Greek ethnicity, and living in a city governed by the poleis system. The people that would become the Arabs fell into precisely none of these categories, and would not have been considered Greek. (for the record, the Macedonians were not considered actual Greeks either)

            Once again, I’m not seeing any evidence whatsoever that the Middle Eastern tribes that would become Arabs were progenitors of the Greeks in any way, or that the Greeks considered the proto-Arabs to be Greek themselves.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on July 29, 2015 at 1:50 am

            first, you deterred the initial conversation towards whether arabs are greeks. never said they were greeks. simply was stating that the mediterranean was the epicenter of commerce and trade, that made the area a melting pot for all inhabitants. which again, is why southern europeans share genetic info (albeit a low percentage when compared to other nordic groups) consistent with not only sub-saharan Africans, but also east and north Africans as well. And east africans share genetic similarities ( beyond the less than ~1% difference shared between every human being on earth and ~5% of every primate) with north Africans, sub-saharan, and eurasian. So the idea that one can unequivocally state as fact that Cleopatra or ancient Egyptians in total from royals to peasants, weren’t black at all, is an assertion that isn’t grounded in fact. There are literally thousands of ethnicities throughout africa, as there are thousands of ethnicity within the global black populations in and out of the continent itself. the problem we are really debating here is what we define as black. and, it seems that you and i will never agree on how we define the term.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 3, 2015 at 12:21 pm

            With regard to the Greek-Arab debate, this is literally what you said (I’m copy-pasting it): “i say the greeks weren’t white, because they weren’t. they were a mix between arabs, africans (of all shades), and southern europeans (who, at that time, were not white).” At least have the conviction to stand by your argument, no matter how ludicrous it may be.

            With regard to the original debate about ancient Egyptians – actually, we can unequivocally state that the lion’s share of evidence does not support the assertion that ancient Egyptians looked anything like what we in modern times would consider “black.” The question isn’t whether or not there was sub-Saharan blood in many ancient Egyptians; it’s whether or not their appearance was more similar to North Africans and Middle Easterners, or to sub-Saharan Africans. The genetic information that I provided a few posts ago demonstrates pretty conclusively that ancient Egyptians probably did not look like sub-Saharan Africans.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 4, 2015 at 12:03 am

            first off i never ran away from my assertion; here, i’ll say it again–with bass: THE GREEKS WERE NOT WHITE! The greeks were the embodiment of what we would refer to as a melting pot. The arabs referred to southern euros as the “red People.” But your insistence that the greek race is a pure white race free of southern (black, arab, persian, whatever) influence is indeed, despite your protest, racist. Fact is neither of us know what the ancient egyptians really looked like. But your attitude of, if they can’t be “royal family white” then they can’t be black either is just laughable. For ancient egypt to be black-free on a continent full of black people, you’d have to give me a plausible reason as to how that might have happened. Its like telling people that there were native americans in Maine but definitely not Massachusetts; naw, that place was a native american-free zone. Any reasonable thinker would ask, what barrier existed that would’ve prevent native americans from venturing 200mi south? was there a giant body of water? no. were there huge formidable mountains? no. So on a continent full of Native Americans, why would Massachusetts, alone, be Native American-Free? You don’t have an answer for that question. the study you threw on here merely labeled the diverse groups that exist not only in north Africa, but east, and parts of West Africa as well. Yet somehow it was your golden ticket. Guess what, there was also diversity among the N. Americans as well. is that proof that great people of Ancient Massachusetts weren’t NA, maybe to you it is, but at some point your going to have to ask yourself: Why?



          • Steve Bunnell on August 4, 2015 at 1:01 pm

            No one claimed the ancient Greeks were white, nor did anyone claim that Egypt was “black-free” – just that ancient Egyptians probably, on average, did not look like what we would consider black people to look like. Either engage with the debate at hand or don’t waste my time, please.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 6, 2015 at 2:45 am

            Real Question: What would “we” consider black people to look like?



          • Steve Bunnell on August 6, 2015 at 5:57 pm

            People of predominantly sub-Saharan African ancestry.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 6, 2015 at 6:12 pm

            “predominantly”
            so president obama, Being exactly 50%, isnt black? you truly do have a white supremacist way of seeing the world.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 7, 2015 at 12:24 pm

            You’re flailing. Your argument doesn’t have a leg to stand on anymore, so you resort to making baseless accusations and splitting hairs.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 8, 2015 at 12:45 am

            answer the question. Cut the bull S##t



          • Steve Bunnell on August 8, 2015 at 5:17 am

            LOL, you aren’t in any position to accuse anyone of BS-ing. You can’t come up with an argument against the evidence that I’ve posted, so you accuse me of racism and then split hairs over what would or would not be considered “black” by modern standards. Shame on you. Either be mature enough to admit that you’ve lost this debate, or just stop posting.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 12, 2015 at 9:53 pm

            asking once more, what do you consider a black person by “modern” standards to look like? Whether you choose, Usain Bolt, Barack Obama, or Rashida Jones, they are all deemed by “modern times,”–black. And I know for sure the ancient egyptians land somewhere between those three Individuals. So again, “What would “you” consider black people to look like?” Should we stop calling people black if they are a shade lighter than James Earl Jones? let me know.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 13, 2015 at 11:46 am

            The individuals you mentioned are all black, yes. “Predominantly” was a poor choice of words on my part. You’re entirely wrong that ancient Egyptians “land somewhere between those three individuals,” though. All the evidence available suggests otherwise. As I’ve pointed out, and as the studies I’ve cited indicate, the Copts are the people still alive today who are the closest genetically to ancient Egyptians, and very few people today, if anyone, would consider them “black.”



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 14, 2015 at 9:38 am

            you haven’t pointed out any evidence that supports that claim. And, i don’t believe you’ve read the studies you’ve cited, I have, and no where does it say that the ancient egyptians were not black. That study, I’ll mention this once more, merely identifies (by name) the ethnic diversity of E. Africa, N. Africa, and portions of W. Africa. It mentioned tribe migration and therefore tried to identify percentages of ethnic crossover across all of those regions and where many of those ancient tribes remain today. And, Copts, a point you hang on, are a panethnicity , egyptians in their final stage as they are today, after the mixing with various invading factions. A pan ethnic group, cannot be natives to any one region or ethnicity as there name suggests an alternative.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 14, 2015 at 12:50 pm

            Actually, you’re clearly the one who clearly didn’t read the study: “Copts share the same main ancestral component than North African and Middle East populations (dark blue), supporting a common origin with Egypt (or other North African/Middle Eastern populations). They are known to be the most ancient population of Egypt.” It’s pretty clear from the available DNA evidence that the Ancient Egyptians probably looked like modern-day Copts. Sorry this scares you so much, but it’s the truth, whether you like it or not.

            Also, you keep using the term “panethnicity,” when you clearly don’t know what it means. A panethnicity refers to groups like “Asian Americans,” whose ethnicities may not be closely related with each other’s, but who nevertheless form a distinct group within American and global society. The Copts are not a panethnicity; they are a cohesive ethnicity.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 14, 2015 at 3:33 pm

            no show me where it says that ancient egyptians weren’t black. Coptic peoples are not a monolyth as you would love to suggest. Because in your heart you know that there are coptic peoples of eritrea, ethiopia, sudan, etc. the ancient egyptians most likely resembled those people, who can be copts as well.

            “A panethnicity refers to groups like “Asian Americans,” whose ethnicities may not be closely related with each other…” – Steve bundle

            Panethnicity is a political neologism used to group together related ethnic groups, as per wikipedia definition. But i guess because it was used to group asian americans, that its wrong to use it for other groups. you’re an idiot. and the copts are not a cohesive ethnicity, you can be any race under the sun and be coptic, and the coptic people of Africa reflect that. you really are racist man.what you’re going through to prove (after acknowledging that the Ancient Egyptians def. weren’t white) that Ancient Egyptians weren’t black is short of disappointing, because i sort of expect it based on our conversation. Somehow the black people adorned in native clothing across ancient egyptian artworks, were all bussed in from anywhere but Egypt. lets end it here steve.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 14, 2015 at 6:03 pm

            Yes, there are Coptic peoples in those countries, and they resemble modern-day Middle Easterners and North Africans, not sub-Saharan Africans. Have a look for yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copts Boutros-Boutros Ghali does not look sub-Saharan African to me.

            No one is suggesting that Copts, or ancient Egyptians, for that matter, were monolithic. What I am pointing out is that the evidence does not suggest that the ancient Egyptians, on average, would have been perceived as “black” (ie: having a large degree of sub-Saharan African ethnicity). You so far have been unable to dispute this effectively, and have decided to resort to ad hominem attacks – calling me racist, a moron, etc. You seem to believe I am making a qualitative judgment about people of sub-Saharan African ancestry (ie: a racist judgment) in saying that the average ancient Egyptians were of a distinct ancestry from that of sub-Saharan Africans. I am not. I do not think being related (or unrelated) to ancient Egyptians makes any individual or group “better” or “worse.” So you’d probably better abandon your “racism!” schtick, because it just makes your argument look weaker than it already is.

            With regard to panethnicities, the same Wikipedia article you quote says the following: “Asian Americans can be described as “a panethnicity” of various unrelated peoples of Asia, which are nevertheless perceived as a distinguishable group within the larger multiracial North American society.” You’re going to have to demonstrate how the term applies to the Copts, because from what I’m seeing they don’t qualify.

            No one here is disputing that Egypt had extensive contacts with the people of Punt and other powerful African civilizations. Moreover, there can be no doubt that there were a good amount of sub-Saharan Africans living in Egypt. But those individuals were ethnically sub-Saharan African. The DNA evidence suggests that their ancestry was very distinct from that of the indigenous people of the Nile, ie: what we refer to as ancient ethnic Egyptians.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 17, 2015 at 5:22 pm

            now your saying resemble sub-saharan africans. I need you to describe feature-feature-feature of what a sub-saharan african looks like. I’ll wait.

            ” there can be no doubt that there were a good amount of sub-Saharan Africans living in Egypt.”

            so they were just living there? i guess that doesn’t make them ancient egyptians just ancient loiterers, right? And your saying copts were the original peoples of egypt, when the term was created to describe the final form of egyptians before arab and foreign dynastic invasions. the term was created after the fact. But again, we got on this issue before, an i need you to clarify what would resemble a sub-saharan african, feature-by-feature. it’s phrases such as that that would have a reasonable individual believe you to be racist or have racist leanings.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 17, 2015 at 11:08 pm

            No, here’s what needs to happen: you need to cite your evidence. You are defending this blog post’s suggestion that typical ancient Egyptians were “black” in a way that would resonate with those of us living in modern times. I have demonstrated that this is not the case. The ball is in your court. Post evidence to back up your argument, or just be an adult and admit that you can’t.

            And by the way, no – a reasonable person would not take “most ancient Egyptians weren’t what we would consider ‘black’ nowadays” to be a racist position. That’s a bizarre conclusion to draw.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 18, 2015 at 12:26 am

            Wait, let me get this straight, you want me to cite evidence that there were black people on a part of the continent of Africa (with little to no land barriers) over 2000+ years ago? Fools errand: As if the tomb paintings, art, statues, and traditions that existed then, and exist now, isn’t evidence enough; that lets me know that nothing would convince you. If you wanted me to prove that the first Russians were Mexican Chicanos, I’d understand the skepticism as there exists (to my knowledge) little to no shared culture and similarity or fn artwork depicting Chicanos in ancient Russia. Why don’t you go head and Prove to me that there were white people in Scotland 2000 years ago, while you’re at it, See if you can finally answer the question i keep asking but you can’t seem to answer. What do sub-saharan Africans resemble? After that, tell me what “predominant” black features are. feature-by-feature, breakdown would be appreciated. Steve, lets conclude this cause i fear that your answer would blow your cover.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 18, 2015 at 12:28 am

            No, what I want you to cite is evidence that ancient Egyptians were, on average, what we would consider to be “black.” You know this, and you’re clumsily avoiding it because your argument is paper-thin.

            edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II#Mummy

            “Microscopic inspection of the roots of Ramesses II’s hair proved that the king’s hair was originally red, which suggests that he came from a family of redheads.”

            Just admit you don’t know what you’re talking about and stop.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 18, 2015 at 11:53 am

            now your throwing my question back at me without answering? take the L steve.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 18, 2015 at 12:37 pm

            No, I’m asking you the same question I’ve been asking since the beginning: where is your evidence that the average ancient Egyptian was what we would consider “black” today? The fact that you still can’t manage to bolster your argument even slightly is extremely telling.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 18, 2015 at 1:22 pm

            what do you consider black today steve? take the L.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 18, 2015 at 2:36 pm

            Yeah, you’ve got nothing. I win, you lose.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 20, 2015 at 10:33 am

            racism never wins, not in the long run, at least. Be a man and take the L.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 20, 2015 at 12:01 pm

            Saying that ancient Egyptians weren’t what most people today would consider “black” isn’t racist. You shame yourself by suggesting that it is, you do a disservice to those of us who are working hard every day to fight racism, and you cheapen the sacrifice of those who die every day due to the horrible racism that still pervades our society.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 21, 2015 at 6:57 am

            your not working hard to fight anything steve, so stop the grand-standing. I’m not the only one that called you out on this. take your medicine, and the L. its the only way you’ll learn.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 21, 2015 at 1:40 pm

            Well, first of all, you don’t know me, so you don’t get to tell me what I am and aren’t working hard to do. I’m a pretty active ally of BLM. Secondly, you’ve been proven to be 100% wrong on your argument, and since you can’t come up with a coherent response, you’re resorting to name-calling. I’m not going to keep arguing with you if you keep that up.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 22, 2015 at 2:36 pm

            You haven’t proven anything, and being apart of BLM means nothing. Lincoln thought slavery was morally wrong, but also believed that the white race was a superior race. history holds him well. i don’t believe you to be a racist because i don’t know what in your heart, but many of the things you’ve said in this conversation and others I’ve read within this article, espouse racist leanings. you don’t have to continue arguing with me, we can definitely end here.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 23, 2015 at 3:57 am

            I’d be perfectly willing to continue this conversation if you could post some evidence supporting your argument. But you can’t. You can only call me names. That’s pretty pathetic. And that’s why I’m not going to argue with you anymore.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 23, 2015 at 4:06 am

            perfect. first tell me what we would consider “predominantly black” features? Or whom we would consider black. those terms are what gave you away. but again, lets end it here, because if i ask you to provide evidence that they weren’t black, you would give the same BS “its not what we would consider black,” and then i’d ask you what do “we” consider black? and then you would return the subject back to having me provide evidence that a country in Africa was/is inhabited by black Africans thousands of years ago. and, like clock-work you’ll start questioning what “we” would/should consider black.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 24, 2015 at 6:14 pm

            I never said anything about “predominantly black” features – those are your spin on my position, in desperately (and futilely) trying to cast me as a racist (for proving you wrong. Because in your mind, that’s racist). When I talk about what modern people would consider “black,” one of the major factors would be a skin tone that is, on average, darker than the average Middle Easterner or North African, for example.

            Also, your assumption that if a country is in Africa, it must have been inhabited by black people thousands of years ago is laughable. Berbers aren’t what most people would consider “black,” but they are an indigenous population of North Africa. You really don’t have a clue about what you’re talking about, do you?

            As for your asking for evidence, I have already provided evidence, in the form of DNA tests, which demonstrate pretty conclusively that the average ancient Egyptian was not black.

            Now, here’s a question I have for you: why is your self-image so horribly threatened by being conclusively proved wrong about the skin color of ancient Egyptians? Why do you care so much? Did your self-worth really rely so heavily upon whether or not you come from a racial background that you thought was directly associated with ancient Egypt? If so, that’s really sad, although it would explain your flailing responses to me proving you wrong.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 24, 2015 at 7:23 pm

            again, you have not provided any test that proves ancient egyptians [aren’t] [corrected:8.26.15] black, but you can continue saying so. It is very important to you that the ancient Egyptians be anything other than black. Consult with your own conscience why that is. Also, Our president globally regarded as being a black man, is lighter than most middle-easterners, same goes for james earl jones, rashida jones, Colin Powel, and the list continues. If your metric for what is black, is focused on a specified hue you conveniently snip out of the larger “black” spectrum, to suit your premise, then yes: you are indeed racist. why not make the argument you really wish to make: the ancient Egyptians weren’t big-lipped, wide eyed, Tar-babies. Have the balls to fully express your convictions, steve. Over and out.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 25, 2015 at 1:09 am

            Nope, it’s important to me that people not try to revise history to fit their own personal preconceptions of what “should” be. I would have no problem with ancient Egyptians being what we would consider “black.” But the evidence just doesn’t support this, and I think you should be an adult and accept that fact.

            The tests I’ve posted show that ancient Egyptians were most-likely an olive-skinned people, not unlike the people of the Bronze Age Levant, ancient and modern Middle Easterners, and Copts. What’s more, the evidence I posted shows that Ramesses II was red-haired and freckled, and these features probably extended to the rest of his dynasty as well.

            None of the people you mentioned are lighter than modern Middle Easterners, except perhaps Rashida Jones, who is biracial. James Earl Jones certainly isn’t lighter than most Middle Easterners. Barack Obama is biracial as well, but he’s not lighter than most modern Middle Easterners either – possibly AS light-skinned, but certainly not lighter. I’m beginning to get the impression that you simply don’t have any idea what modern Middle Easterners or Copts look like, and that’s the crux of this disagreement. It wouldn’t surprise me, since you seemingly can’t wrap your head around the notion that there are indigenous non-black people who live in Africa.

            Nothing I’ve said suggests that my conception of sub-Saharan Africans is of, “big-lipped, wide-eyed Tar babies.” Shame on you for attributing that to me, just because I proved you wrong. That’s not what an adult does.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 26, 2015 at 10:26 am

            “The tests I’ve posted show that ancient Egyptians were most-likely an olive-skinned people”

            do you not see the absurdity in this statement?

            Again, you’re exposing the fact that you didn’t read the study you posted, I did. And, if you did by chance read it in full, i’m sure the jargon probably through you off. I majored in Bioengineering, not the most relevent major for this conversation; but, i will tell you because i honestly do not believe you know this. “It is impossible to decern skin color from DNA.” So again, tell me what test you came across that proves that Ancient Egyptians were “olive-skinned” (again, you’re assuming blacks can’t be Olive-skinned, but continue to expose yourself, steve.)

            “James Earl Jones certainly isn’t lighter than most Middle Easterners. ”

            funny how you glossed over him because he isn’t biracial, but lighter in tone than the two individuals you willfully labeled biracial (as if that somehow precludes them from being black). But I digress, show me the empirical data that says the ancient egyptians weren’t black, and i caution, there exists no genetic test that can empirically discern the race of an individual. At most you’ll get eye and hair color, nothing more. Again steve, we’re done. Take the L, as a Learning experience. I think you’re unknowingly bigoted, which doesn’t make you a bad person, but nonetheless spiteful.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 27, 2015 at 3:47 am

            The tests I’ve shown demonstrate that ancient Egyptians are closely linked with present-day Copts. That would strongly suggest that they were not black, but looked like indigenous North Africans. From the study:

            “Copts share the same main ancestral component than North African and Middle East populations (dark blue), supporting a common origin with Egypt (or other North African/Middle Eastern populations). They are known to be the most ancient population of Egypt and at k = 4 (Fig.3), they show their own component (dark green) different from the current Egyptian population which is closer to the Arabic population of Qatar.”

            The fact that this has somehow escaped you suggests to me that you either A, did not read the study yourself; B, are not actually a bioengineering major and do not understand what the study concludes; or C, all of the above. I’m banking on C, since you were apparently unaware of the fact that there are, in fact, indigenous peoples of Africa that are not black. Also, you somehow think that Rashida Jones is darker-skinned than James Earl Jones, when she is quite obviously not, so that also kind of calls your eyesight into question.

            Unless you post actual evidence that ancient Egyptians were, in fact, black in your next post, this discussion will be over and you will have lost. This is your last chance to post something of substance; do it now or forever hold your peace.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 27, 2015 at 3:56 pm

            take the L steve, because you describing visual data in words doesn’t make you appear prepared nor does it make you seem smarter than you actually are. Because in all that you’ve said, no where does it say that the ancient Egyptians weren’t black. You want your audience to assume that copts are a race which they are not. There are Ethiopian copts’, sudanese, and so on. Your argument is akin to saying the original people of Madagascar were jews, not black. Can you not see how stupid that sounds? Your creating the assumption that jews can’t be black. When you do this it give you away almost immediately. That entire study which I’m convinced you did not understand, is about ethnic diversity and looks to trace and define the diversity and expose cross-populations, if any, among those ethnicities. The fact that you use it to prop your bigotry is astounding. The funny thing is there are sooo many studies that are steeped in pseudoscience that would tell you blatantly that ancient egyptians weren’t black, hell if you dig closer you’d probably find more of those articles that would tell you that ancient Africans weren’t black as well. keep digging, and find the one that actually supports your claim. but this conversation is over so you can’t take down your BLM posters and things and continue believing whatever you believe. read the other comments your bigotry is noted not only by me. take the L steve.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 27, 2015 at 5:33 pm

            What I have pointed out is what the evidence that’s available indicates, which is that the ancient Egyptians probably looked like modern-day Copts and other indigenous peoples of North Africa and the Levant. You have been unable to provide a single shred of evidence that suggests otherwise. I gave you one last chance to provide some, and you still failed. This argument is over. You lose.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 28, 2015 at 1:21 am

            dude, you lost long time ago. white supremacy is a sham. take the L. Feeding bigot trolls – never again.



          • Steve Bunnell on August 28, 2015 at 1:10 pm

            You literally think that proving you wrong is white supremacy. Got it. Go ahead and take the last word, champ.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 30, 2015 at 3:34 am

            NO I Stated clearly throughout our convo. that a possible basis for your argument is steeped in white supremacy, and i still believe that, more so now than before. But i also believe that you want to win so much, that you refuse to see it, so thats why i can’t say you’re racist. But since you lost, you should allow reflection. especially concerning how you view other peoples, and through which sense you view them and history. nice chatting with you.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on July 27, 2015 at 11:34 pm

            I apologize for the insults.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 23, 2015 at 1:09 pm

            First of all, I’d love to see your evidence that ancient Macedonians and/or Greeks, because that would turn a lot of archaeology on its head. If you’re under the misapprehension that Greeks labeled “the black” (like Cleitus the Black) were of sub-Saharan African ancestry, sorry to tell you, but that isn’t referring to their skin.

            Secondly, “a black continent”? Berbers and ancient Egyptians may not have been white, but they certainly weren’t black either. Regardless of whether or not the Ptolemaic dynasty was 100% ethnically Macedonian, any sort of out-breeding could have easily been with an ethnic Egyptian (who, again, were not black, at least as we understand the term today), as with a sub-Saharan African. I’m not arguing that it’s impossible Cleopatra had sub-Saharan African blood in her veins – far from it. But to suggest that she was “black” as we commonly understand the term nowadays is just ridiculous.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on July 25, 2015 at 4:26 am

            your racism isn’t allowing you to see the absurdity of your position. If ancient egyptians weren’t white, then what were they. I assume you would say Arab, so my next question would be, the Berbers and ancient egyptians were completely arabs on a continent unperturbed by bodies of water that would normally isolate populations? If you told me that the there were no blacks in ancient iceland. I’d permit you sound reason without procuring evidence because of the large body of water that separates both and the lack of cultural similarities among the two groups. but on the same damn continent you want me to believe that the ancient egyptians weren’t black! not even a drop. yeah thats your racism showing. native Americans were called red skins, and orangemen by pilgrims and settlers. after 500yrs today you would be hard pressed to find many native americans with a tan let alone red or orange skin, why? I’ll let you think about that one.

            Also in america based on the rules your ancestors created, the one-drop rule (adopted world-wide minus brazil) meant if you were a shade off-white with any perceived feature consistent with being black, then you were black. Obama is half white and is lighter than most egyptians today, and the world considers him a black man. cleopatra whose line was influenced by 300yrs of being in a black country stuck in a black continent. so dollars to donuts she would definitly not be elizabeth taylor––not even close–and by todays standards, she would be considered black. odds are, ptolomy who heads her lineage wasn’t even white.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 26, 2015 at 3:14 pm

            Ancient Egyptians were North Africans. All available evidence suggests that they were indigenous to the region, and probably had olive-toned skin and dark hair, on average-not unlike the indigenous people of the region who live there still. Racism has nothing to do with it; shame on you for suggesting that it does.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on July 27, 2015 at 4:23 pm

            Northern Africans weren’t white, they weren’t black; then, what exactly were they on a land populated by black people to-this-day? You tell me who are the indigenous people of Northern Africa. Did black people just decide to not venture that far north? Was there some body of water that made it impossible to make it to libya, sudan, and Tunisia, all countries contiguous the rest of Africa with huge black populations to this day?
            what is the matter with you? Let logic clear up your racist ideology. Its like saying ancient mexicans weren’t Native Americans, because the Native Americans just decided to chill in Canada. smdh



          • Steve Bunnell on July 27, 2015 at 6:57 pm

            North Africa isn’t populated by black people. It’s mostly populated by people of Arabic ancestry, with some indigenous populations mixed in – ie: olive- or brown-skinned people. It’s amazing to me that you don’t realize this. Have you never seen a picture of someone from Algeria?

            If you don’t believe me, look at the DNA evidence: http://www.nature.com/srep/2015/150528/srep09996/pdf/srep09996.pdf The closest population to ancient Egyptians in terms of DNA are the Copts, who are generally a light brown/olive-skinned people. They are neither black nor white. Neither were the ancient Egyptians.

            Quite frankly, you have no place discussing these issues when you don’t even know who lives in North Africa today.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on July 27, 2015 at 11:30 pm

            first off, i read the article you linked to, in its entirety. and it merely presents what i already knew and what you should know, that Africa is genetically diverse, period. In fact, sub-saharan Africa is the most genetically diverse region in the world. Meaning that two individuals from relatively the same region have a better chance being genetically closer to Yao-ming the each other. This article makes simply seeks to organize and label the genetic diversity that exists in northern African, from the horn to the atlantic, a daunting task if they were south of the sahara.

            the fault in your logic is assuming that copts have zero lineage to sub-saharan africans. I even hate mentioning “sub-saharan” as some euphemism for black people. You seem to believe that black-africans can’t be Olive/brown-skinned, black people come in all shades. is Obama not brown/olive-skinned? Colin Powel? Eric Holder? would you ever confuse them for any other race, if they walked right by you? thats my issue with your argument. One-drop rule makes you black unless you built the pyramids and created a civilization that archaeologists are still trying to dumb down for the masses, then, your nothing but Black. give me a break guy.

            And, a 2008 study of a Copts group in Sudan found relatively high frequencies of the Sub-Saharan Haplogroup B, yet still have closer ties to ancient egypt than other groups. If southern europeans have proven sub-saharan ancestry ~3% of your average spaniards genetic makeup. how in the world are you going to try to assert that that percentage isn’t higher in Egyptians, which it is. In northern Africa, today, you can’t throw a rock without hitting a black-african. There are indigenous black groups not only in north africa but places as far as Iran and turkey as well, black people traveled, the proof is the global population.



          • Sharon37 on July 20, 2015 at 1:55 am

            Her mother was African.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 22, 2015 at 8:13 pm

            That’s not known for a fact at all. What is known is that the remains of someone believed to be Arsinoe (although that’s not conclusively proven), who was probably Cleopatra’s half-sister, had some African ancestry. Cleopatra and Arsinoe had the same father, who was ethnically Macedonian, but not the same mother. The only evidence we have about Cleopatra’s ancestry is that she was a Ptolemy, and therefore largely Macedonian. Even if the Ptoelmies were not frequently the products of incest (which would go against quite a bit of history on the subject), there’s still absolutely no evidence that Cleopatra had more than a small amount of sub-Saharan African ancestry. Ethnic Egyptians were not “black” in any sense we would recognize nowadays – all available evidence suggests that they looked closer to modern-day Middle Easterners.



          • Sharon37 on July 22, 2015 at 9:11 pm

            Ancient Egyptians who built and established Egypt thousands of years before Alexander the Great invaded were black. Ramses III has been tested and he has a west african haplogroup E1B1A, the same Haplogrouo predominant throughput sub sahara and african American men. National Geographic confirmed this back in 2012. I am Black american have tested myself and several family members and black friends who tested at 23 and Me and then Gedmatch. We all have Egyptian in our deep ancestry. All of the blacks I’ve known who have tested so far have egyptian. My friends and I have formed a research group to study and compare notes on the Bantu migration, population genetics and mediterranean history, particularly Egypt. I know how competitive whites can be, but you all have to give up the ghost. Anyone, black or white, with subsaharan DNA are descendents of the ancient Egyptian. I wish people would do more research instead of spouting something they read on one website. Egyptians were not red skin. They painted themselves different colors to represent different meanings. Red being magical powers, white deity, Green meant rebirth/resurrection. That’s why they are differnt colors but they are 98% depicted as dark brown skin. You guys have sculptures with thick lips and flat noses, DNA tests, melanin tests, cranial/skeletal examinations, archeological evidence, cultural links to west Africans (Head binding and many more) yet you all still refuse to accept they were black. It has gotten to the point that many are desperate to believe a pathological lie. Even when they later became admixed with Northern Europe they were still brown skin. Obama is 50% black yet he is identified as a BLACK man throughout the world yet Late egyptians when they became admixed are deemed to be white? They are still admixed today. Curly hair, brown/olive skin. Here are two articles for you to ponder. The first showing that all Jewish groups have subsaharan DNA. Half of Jew have african Haplogroups both paternal and maternal. The second article is how white skin alleles didn’t appear until recently around 7700 years ago when the world civilizations and inventions were well underway. History has been whitewashed so badly that it is going to be painful to have to tell people the truth.

            http://news.sciencemag.org/archaeology/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

            http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373

            DNA studies are in the process of tracing human origin and migration of different ethnic groups. They have just started testing all of the ancient fossil remains and they are all dark skin people. there are no white skin fossils older than 7700 years. White skin allelles didnt appear until around 8,000 years ago. It spread rapidly because it was higly selected/preferred. The 7700 year old fossil are the oldest ancient remains with white skin alleles because white skin is a recent occurrence. That is the reason why Nordic whites only make up 8% of the global population. Since white skin didn’t appear until around 8,000 years ago, civilization was already well underway and many inventions had already been discovered farming in particular because it allowed us to harvest food and increase life span, astrology, medicine, and many more. Greece learned from Egypt and took what they learned to continental Europe which laid the foundation for european civilizations.

            On another note, the people in the bible were black and brown. White skin alleles hadn’t arrived in the Levant by the time the Old Testament was written. If Nordics are rare in the Middke East today after mass travel there in the last 1,200 since the crusades, then what do you think the Middle East looked like 6,000 years ago?



          • Steve Bunnell on July 22, 2015 at 9:50 pm

            No one is suggesting that there wasn’t intermingling. There were certainly part-sub-Saharan pharaohs and even a fully Nubian dynasty. But ancient Egyptians almost certainly looked more like modern Middle Easterners or Berbers than sub-Saharan Africans. The evidence that ancient Egyptians, on average, looked like sub-Saharan Africans just isn’t there.



          • Sharon37 on July 23, 2015 at 3:35 pm

            Actually, there are many people all over the Internet that insist that they had no SSA admixture which defies reasoning. They are under the mistaken impression that the egyptians were white because they were Arabic therefore no admixture. Even after you point out that Arabs have 15-30% Sub saharan african on average themsleves. That’s why I believe those who say there is no SSA in ancient ehyptians are making emotional arguments based on racial bias. Yes, you are reasonable in at least recognizing that they were at least partially SSA. Most people aren’t reasinable on the subject of ancient Egpytians. Now, Dravidians and Scots want to claim them yet the people who share their DNA can’t? Like I said I have tested at Gedmatch.com as well as my black friends and some coworkers who took the test and we all show Egyptian as an ancestral source. ive researched other profiles in Gedmatch of African Americans and they show Egyptian as well. You can review it for yourself. DNA doesnt lie. Ramses III was E1B1A which is without question west african. If the Egyptian minister himself has signed off on the research I’m still trying to understand what the debate is about. West africans and anyone with west african dna are descendents of the egyptians. That would include the vast majority in the US since both blacks and white have sub saharan ancestry and many other groups throughout the Europe and Middle East but culturally and genetically they were Africans.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 23, 2015 at 8:44 pm

            …are you sure you’re replying to the right person? I haven’t made any claims about Arabs. And I’m not one of the people who claim that there was no SSA admixture, nor did my argument suggest anything of the sort. And the fact that you have ancient Egyptian blood doesn’t suggest that ancient Egyptians looked like modern-day black people, any more than Barack Obama’s Irish ancestry on his mother’s side suggests that ancient Celts looked like he does. People who have ancient Egyptian ancestry are perfectly entitled to claim them as their ancestors. But there’s a difference between that and saying that Cleopatra was black, or that most ancient Egyptians were what we in the 21st century would consider “black” (ie: resembling a sub-Saharan African person).



          • Sharon37 on July 23, 2015 at 10:33 pm

            You must be one if those sad individuals that want to hold on to the delusion that white greatness built the first world civilization. The world just couldn’t survive without the great white knight hero. Of course its true, because Hollywood movies say so. White men always save the world. You have been indoctrinated so deeply that you have lost all rationality. Ancient Egyptians were genetically African (as proven by Ramses III west african DNA), they were geographically African, they were culturally African, they were linguistically African. They were fully AFRICANS. The vast majority of the people on that continent is still black and brown even after over 1,000 years of Nordic whites arriving there. If they are brown and black today, then they were even blacker the further you go back in time. Africa is more than a dark skin type. We vary according to tribes. San people are light brown with epicanthic folds (slant eyes). Africa is more than a skin color. Its a culture as well. Not to worry, DNA test will eventually be released for King Tut and he will be E1B1A just like Ramses III and his son. Thats why they refuse to release it even though they’ve had it since 2008.

            All civilizations rise and fall. All of them. As much as we would like to beat ourselves on the chest and proclaim we are the greatest, some other civilization eventually rise up and take the throne. White Americans have contributed much to the world, (Jews more so in my opinion) but my goodness you all have to try to claim everything great in the world, even if it has nothing to do with you. White Americans need a huge ego adjustment and need to wake up and realize that there is no racial superiority. We are all mutts and have been intermixing with each other for hundreds of thousands of years. Im 28% everything else (Russian, British, Native American, Middle Eastern, Central Asian). While I love all of my ancestry, according to the world im a black woman. Just like my Egyptian ancestor were. End of story.



          • Steve Bunnell on July 24, 2015 at 3:53 am

            Wow, you’re reading a lot into my comment that isn’t there. That you can take my argument that Cleopatra probably didn’t look black, and interpret that to mean that I’m a white supremacist, is nothing short of insane.



          • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on August 6, 2015 at 3:19 am

            you became my hero before i knew you existed. came across this and didn’t read it because it was too long. by chance after arguing with this guy i gave it another go and, man. I really do believe in destiny. i was meant to return and read your posts. Keep being positive, even if it seems pointless. you will run through all of it too quickly, but not without leaving particles of your existence that will kindle and cause wildfires.



        • kristian on May 11, 2015 at 8:45 pm

          actually Egypt was ruled by a Macedonian Greek dynasty at the time (well thats how Cleo got to rule it, surprise), so I bet you Macedonian Greeks existed at the time.

      • Bibi Williams on January 19, 2015 at 4:14 pm

        Actually it’s only stated that her father is Macedonian they have no idea what race her mother is tho there are many speculations and theories some even say she was a concubine but they are not sure. If anything I believe Cleo was neither black nor white but a hybrid of cultural backgrounds.

        • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 5:34 am

          actually the bbd covered an archeological discovery of her half sister who shared the same mother with cleo and her half sister as fate would have it is black, or at least had a skeleton with feature consistent with africans.

          • Steve Bunnell on July 23, 2015 at 1:11 pm

            Nope. Her half-sister and Cleopatra likely did not share the same mother. They had the same father.



      • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 5:26 am

        dude this has been covered. archeologist found her sister’s tomb (Arsinoe) and concluded that their mother was African. and hate to burst your bubble but the greeks weren’t white either. if liz taylor walked anywhere that the greek empire covered, she would have stood out like a sore thumb. the nordic and saxon tribes were conquered by the romans over a hundred years after the fall of the greek empire and brought down to southern europe as slaves.

      • Sharon37 on July 20, 2015 at 1:54 am

        You are parroting something you read. Alexander the Great conquered Egypt in 4th century BC and appointed his Greek general to rule Egypt. When an empire was conquered back then, they married into the ruling royal family to legitimize their authority and make transition easier. So, her father was Greek but her mother was African. Cleopatra and all Greeks were proclaimed to be white during the Renaissance period 1500s AD in Italy and throughout Europe when the world all of a sudden became fascinated with Greek and Roman history. So, artists started portraying Greeks as white. There is only one image of Alexander the Great on a coin abd he looked like a dark skin mulatto with thick curly hair. Google it for yourself yet somehow they changed him to a blonde. History has been whitewash enough and thank God for DNA testing conducted on ancient fossil remains telling the truth. Ramses III had a west african haplogroup (ancestral line) E1B1A. The vast majority of west Africans and most african Americans men have this ancestral line. Not only Ramses was african but almost all of the Egyptian dynasties until the 24th when the Greeks took over completely. Then the Arabs took over Egypt and they are the ones still residing there today. Learn your history. The really interesting history is in evolution. White skin didn’t appear until around 7700 years ago. Here’s the article but you hardly hear Americans talking about this because it’s a hot topic.

        http://news.sciencemag.org/archaeology/2015/04/how-europeans-evolved-white-skin

    • CHRIS ROX on April 7, 2015 at 3:06 am

      HELLO LYRIC: CLEOPATRA WAS BORN IN EGYPT AND HAD MACEDONIAN GREEK BACKGROUND.SO,SINCE YOU ARE PART OF THE ‘AFRICAN AMERICAN ‘ COMMUNITY;DISAPPROVE OF YOUR OWN WRONG FACT.THAT IS: HOLLYWOOD HAS LET ‘ORPHAN ANNIE’ BEING PLAYED BY A BLACK GIRL.AND,LIFETIME ALLOWED “STEEL MAGNOLIAS” TO AIR WITH ITS ALL BLACK CAST.OH,YEAH.WHERE EXACTLY IN AFRICA WERE YOU BORN OR ARE FROM?

      • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 5:40 am

        all fictitious, characters? i can do that too. avatar being played by a white kid. john wayne playing ghengis khan (who actually existed) angelina jolie playing “fox” in the movie “wanted” who is a black woman in the comics, scarlet johanson playing the titular character in the movie “ghost in a shell” another asian anime character a white person is playing. Jake gyllenhall playing the “prince of [f.n.} Persia. your move

    • Noðhelm Blodheafodban on May 4, 2015 at 12:58 am

      Egypt was controlled by a Macedonian Greek dynasty at the time, because of Alexander the Great’s conquest. Cleopatra was a member of this Greek dynasty.

      • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 5:42 am

        whose family had spent 300 years before her on the continent that is Africa surrounded by blacks and arabs. yeah, I’m sure she came out lily white, even though the greeks themselves weren’t white.

    • Rachel on July 3, 2015 at 8:08 pm

      All these white ppl clapping back, but how would y’all feel if a black woman played Queen Elizabeth of England? Y’all would be mad right? Okay then. All these excuses to justify the blatan disrespect and disregard for the black community. Everytime there is somekne of power that is Black or African or African American they either make them real lightskin or white. And it needs to stop!

    • Sharon37 on July 20, 2015 at 1:42 am

      I’m already boycotting it on Facebook. I respect Angelina but this is bigger than her.

  2. Sabra Keepingitkosher Lee on June 3, 2014 at 1:18 pm

    If she is the best actress who auditioned for the role why shouldn’t it go to her just like Idris Elba in Thor…his character was Nordic…

    • VegasNevada on June 25, 2014 at 4:09 pm

      Thor was a myth.

    • TrollBuster on December 10, 2014 at 6:22 pm

      Real history vs myth. Wow, sheep..

  3. butter bean sugar on June 3, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    beyonce would be good forthis role ..if she could act .. and talk well ,, i would rather see troy bayer , or elise nealson, or angela basset , or someone else play this role , hollywood make me sick always putting some white woman in dreads trying to portray a black queen CLEOPATRA WAS BLACK !! SO WHY THE WHITE IMAGE ??? UNTIL a black director do a movie on her they will continue to do this like they cant find a black female that will smash that role on big screen haaa

    • TrollBuster on December 10, 2014 at 6:22 pm

      No she would not. Tika Sumpter would be perfect.

    • CHRIS on April 7, 2015 at 2:27 am

      BRITISHROSE,YOU ARE IGNORANT.CLEOPATRA WAS MOSTLY MACEDONIAN GREEK AND BORN IN EGYPT.AND WHY ARE YOU POUTING…??? YOU GOT ‘LITTLE ORPHAN ANNIE’.LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. sue on June 3, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    I do not know why the black people in hollywood continue to let the directors and producers cast white people in biblcal movies. As if black people did not exist, especially in Eygpt. White people keep telling themselves that they are the only ones that exist in bibical times. Black actors and actress need to start fighting this.

    • JaMila on June 3, 2014 at 10:54 pm

      Some good points.. i could see Joan from girlfriends Angela B. too Janet. lots. of blk actresses surprised even Pam G never played her..but Jolie would probably be alright at least like a friend of mine said she being of Hollywood status she adopted a black child cute kid something i dont see in the media with blk actors/actresses like they portray with Jolie although iam sure they do too? Not trying to be offensive because everyone situation is different, experience s upbringing etc.

    • CHRIS ROX on April 7, 2015 at 2:37 am

      Unlike “Annie” where the orphan is fictional,Cleopatra was real.She was born in Egypt and mostly of Macedonian greek background.Most evidence like art,coins,statues,carvings,etc, points to features that support this fact.Let us do a movie about Martin Luther King and cast Conan O’Brien to portray him.

      • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 5:49 am

        “mostly of macedonian greek.” where’s your proof? a lot of people are throwing this around but the fact is that they don’t know who her mther is, but what they do know is that she had a half sister named Arsinoe that happens to be black and their relationship is matrilineal and therefore her mother must have been in part or completely black-African. cut the nonsense.

  5. Hannah on June 4, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    This is the woman’s last movie & Angelina Jolie Might NOT be black but she doesn’t have the most European features either!!! Leave her alone Tom cruise mariah carey could take a note from this woman for saying its time to turn in the towel & sit my ass down. I don’t care I won’t watch it till it gets on DVD anyway lol

    • Sharon37 on December 31, 2014 at 2:27 pm

      I like Angelina Jolie as well but her ego asan actress doesn’t supercede historical accuracy and the need of young black girls to know that a black queen reigned and had a huge impact on the world. It’s bigger than Jolie’s pet project. ALL ancient civilizations were mixed raced, mostly black. That’s why race wasn’t such an issue in ancient civilizations they were all black and brown.

      • CHRIS ROX on April 7, 2015 at 2:43 am

        DEAR SHARON37,CLEOPATRA WAS BORN IN EGYPT AND MOSTLY OF MACEDONIAN GREEK BACKGROUND.THESE ARE FACTS.AND FYI,HER FAMILY WAS SO DEDICATED TO KEEPING THE ROYALTY IN THE FAMILY;THAT,THEY EVEN MARRIED AND HAD CHILDREN WITHIN THE FAMILY.

      • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 5:53 am

        fun fact, the few instance of race mentioned during that time in that location is with arabs priding themselves on being lighter, in shade, than black africans and the “red people” of the north which is what the referred to the greeks and southern europeans as. They felt they were the perfect complexion, because they were lighter than both peoples.

  6. Shawna on June 5, 2014 at 4:25 pm

    I’ve never heard that Cleopatra was black before. I don’t understand what the big deal is about her skin color. Maybe somebody could explain this to me?

    • VegasNevada on June 25, 2014 at 4:12 pm

      She was, at least partially. There is a bust of Cleopatra, and based on that bust, ABC’s a The Chew hostess, Carla Hall looks most like her.

      • TrollBuster on December 10, 2014 at 6:24 pm

        No partially to 50 BC Egyptians. ..

      • CHRIS ROX on April 7, 2015 at 2:47 am

        YOU NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH BESIDES A TALK SHOW ABOUT FOOD.MUSEUMS ARE FULL OF ART,COINS,CARVINGS,STATUES,ETC. THAT SUPPORT THE FACT THAT HER FATHER WAS “NON BLACK”.

        • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on June 6, 2015 at 12:49 am

          first off there is no proof that her father was not black, but her sister Arsinoe, whom she shares a mother with, is black. so at most she looked like obama, which the world considers black.

    • TrollBuster on December 10, 2014 at 6:24 pm

      So you never took history or your parents took no interest in your education. Sheep. .

    • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 5:58 am

      The world aint enough for white disney princesses. Even in Africa they want to be the queen.

  7. aure232 on July 29, 2014 at 11:28 am

    _As a result, it was highly likely that Cleopatra was black and of African descent._

    300 years of Ptolemaic dynasty, and even inbreeding to keep blood pure, makes it highly UNLIKELY. Dear author, please, please, learn about ptolemaic history.

    • TrollBuster on December 10, 2014 at 6:25 pm

      Haha..

    • quice on March 16, 2015 at 6:18 pm

      That’s right white lived in Egypt

  8. NiggerHater on October 2, 2014 at 4:22 pm

    Too bad Cleopatra wasn’t black either. News flash niggers, she was Greek. Sucks when there’s no nigger role models so you have re-imagine non-niggers as niggers just to feel like your race accomplished something.

    • Guest on February 22, 2015 at 10:07 am

      Is that all you have? You can’t come up with a better insult. Yawn, come on use your intelligence-you can do better then this.
      LOL.

  9. CodeRed on October 18, 2014 at 1:52 pm

    History is always being white washed. The Ancient Egyptians were black and always have been until the Arab conquest of Egypt. Want proof? Look at the hieroglyphics! Many of which have color, portraying the Egyptians as Black and Brown skinned. There are hieroglyphics of Cleopatra as well and she is clearly brown skinned in the hieroglyphics. Just because factual evidence doesn’t line up with your desire to white wash history, doesn’t mean Cleopatra was white.

    • kristian on January 4, 2015 at 8:22 pm

      This would make sense if Cleopatra was Ancient Egyptian. In truth, she was Macedonian Greek – aka European. As for her portraying herself in the traditional style of the Pharaohs towards the Egyptian people… sounds like pretty basic propaganda to me

      • Period on February 22, 2015 at 10:08 am

        She was a person of color, not pale.

        • CHRIS ROX on April 7, 2015 at 2:56 am

          A person of olive color.(pssst…there are other colors besides b-l-a-c-k.)

    • CHRIS ROX on April 7, 2015 at 2:54 am

      CodeRed, YOU THEORY IS CODE BLUE. The hieroglyphics did not have the olive tint to match the skin color that CLEOPATRA IS BELIEVED ,BY THE EDUCATED, TO HAVE HAD. MOST OF THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO HER AS NOT HAVING BLACK SKIN.I GUESS I SHOULD JUST DENY THAT BLACK SLAVERY EVER HAPPENED TO EQUAL YOUR NONSENSE.

    • Noðhelm Blodheafodban on May 4, 2015 at 1:02 am

      Most Ancient Egyptians seem to have been a brown Semitic people. DNA tests strongly disagree with your implication that Arabians had a big effect on Egypt’s genetics when they took over.

  10. James Russles on December 31, 2014 at 3:35 am

    Her family was of European descent you stupid fool. They also married within their own family. Why would a royal family touch a black person?
    Cleopatra may have had an olive complexion but that is natural for someone from Mediterranean ancestry, as well as someone living in the conditions of a country like Egypt.

    • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on May 27, 2015 at 6:05 am

      sorry but the greeks weren’t white. and 300 years of keeping your bloodline free of africans in an african country on an african continent is a fantasy not reality and archeological findings as well as dan disproves it but you can continue to believe whatever makes you feel clean.

      • James Russles on June 4, 2015 at 5:14 pm

        sorry but there were white. You see, blacks were vehemently despised back then, just like today. So 300 years of staying away from them seems very plausible.

        • OdasbestfriendMingo{◣⊻◢} on June 5, 2015 at 12:49 am

          they weren’t tho friend, the nordic tribes weren’t conquered until the the winning years of the Roman empire. they were then brought to the mediterranean as slaves. There were actually 6 black Roman emperors, Septimius Severus being the first. So there goes your racist point that blacks were avoided and hated which they weren’t race wasn’t a thing until white people were conquered and brought down as slaves and associated skin tones with superiority. Hell race wasn’t even a thing until the african slave trade destroyed the Irish slave trade.

          • James Russles on June 5, 2015 at 4:11 pm

            Oh dear, nigger revisionist history. Not interested.



  11. Sharon37 on December 31, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    DNA testing is blowing the lid off od previously held racist myths. DNA doesn’t lie like mankind does. National Geogrpahic has convicted a through research over decade which proved the Out of Africa theory is correct. So,all human life originated from one parents in Ethiopia. Given Ethiopia is nest to Egypt is it so far fetched to believe that ancient Egyptians were black? Even the hieroglyphs give evidence to this. Furthermore, a caveman call Brana 1 was found in southern Spain with black skin and blue eyes. Previously, scientist had thought the white race mutated from the black race 60,000 years ago. The Brana caveman was only 7,000 years old so the whote skin STILL hadn’t evolved 7,000 years ago. Makes you question everything about ancient history and the bible as well. 7,000 years ago the world was still mostly black based on this new finding. People of European descent aphave between 1-4% Neanderthal in them. They have been shocked to discover this and now the Neanderthal is being “reclassified” under Homo sapiens which most scientist says is inaccurate because Neanderthal is a completely separate species. I encourage all black people to read evolutionary genetics. It will completely shock you. I use to hear Afrcians claim that we all came from Africa and thought they were delusional yet DNA says they are correct. We blacks hav always been told by others who we are, where we came from, what value we are. Do some research on this and you will see that the history books for ancient civilization and the Bible itself has been whitewashed for thousands of years to prop up one race as superior over others. We are all Gods children but find out for yourself where you came from and be proud of who God made you to be. Blacks are the mother race and that is a special privilege that he has given us. on or it by treating others as if they were your own. Here’s the article about the European caveman. There are many more articles about Brana 1.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrodgers/2014/01/27/stone-age-hunter-had-blue-eyes-and-dark-african-skin/

    • Guest on February 22, 2015 at 10:10 am

      We obviously are, or they wouldn’t be so bothered.